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my favourite band Toto is the most hated band in the world, and the critics gave them poor ratings and classified them as a boring and uninteresting band ...
very sad and i think also funny, because these critics don't know to play on instruments like Mr. Paich or Mr. Lukather, they only hated their music and this is really amateurish and unconstructive approach

rating on album Mindfields from Allmusic is terrible from my point of view

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^Maybe you're like me? Without a driver's license. Most of his songs seem to be about driving - or some kind of roadLOL
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Don;t have any ratings links to share except the wiki ratings from various rock sources, but I have always thought that Bruce Springsteen in general is overrated.
The critics seem to think this guy can do no wrong......and he usually gets 4 and 5 stars .
I never connected to what he's saying...and playing.
 
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Originally posted by iluvmarillion iluvmarillion wrote:

Originally posted by Metalmarsh89 Metalmarsh89 wrote:

LA Woman by the Doors is a good album, but there's a popular ratings site out there (I forget which one) that has it rated as the best album on the website. I find that surprising and think it's inaccurate.

"Strange Days" is easily the best album The Doors made. "Waiting For The Sun" would have surpassed it had not the suits in studio interfered with it and wrecked it. The Doors were never the same band afterwards. LA Woman contains a good collection of songs but no thought went into working the songs into a cohesive whole.


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Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:

 
Snob. LOL

Seriosly, millions of (pre?)teenage girls would disagree with you. And why isn't their appreciation valid, or our appreciation for prog or a macho band like Black Sabbath more valid than theirs? We certainly don't have the high ground, considering the bollocking that prog music gets.

I have to say, in the last decade or so I've really become much more aware of how hegemonic we males are when it comes to critical discourse about popular music. Music that females tend to listen to gets vilified and pilloried not just by the press (esp. the "cool" critics & zines), but by most males, whether it's Justin Bieber or a band like Keane. Even my own inclination at one time was to scoff at the mere mention of singers/bands as those. We're still far from gender equality when music women like tends to be so easily dismissed and ridiculed.

I like AllMusic because it doesn't champion one genre over another. If you like Bieber, then its rating systems should reflect what is generally considered to be his best, and worst, albums... It's much better than the snobbery of, say, "Rolling Stone Record Guide," which was insufferable.


great points all round.  Agreed especially about all music guide vs Rolling Stone
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Originally posted by ole-the-first ole-the-first wrote:

Underrated:
-Black Sabbath's 'Born Again'. I never could get what was so bad in that album all the critics were sh*tthrowing about?
-'Queen II' was met pretty cold by critics.

Overrated:
-Just look at this: http://www.allmusic.com/album/believe-mw0002357910




Snob. LOL

Seriosly, millions of (pre?)teenage girls would disagree with you. And why isn't their appreciation valid, or our appreciation for prog or a macho band like Black Sabbath more valid than theirs? We certainly don't have the high ground, considering the bollocking that prog music gets.

I have to say, in the last decade or so I've really become much more aware of how hegemonic we males are when it comes to critical discourse about popular music. Music that females tend to listen to gets vilified and pilloried not just by the press (esp. the "cool" critics & zines), but by most males, whether it's Justin Bieber or a band like Keane. Even my own inclination at one time was to scoff at the mere mention of singers/bands as those. We're still far from gender equality when music women like tends to be so easily dismissed and ridiculed.

I like AllMusic because it doesn't champion one genre over another. If you like Bieber, then its rating systems should reflect what is generally considered to be his best, and worst, albums... It's much better than the snobbery of, say, "Rolling Stone Record Guide," which was insufferable.



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Underrated:
-Black Sabbath's 'Born Again'. I never could get what was so bad in that album all the critics were sh*tthrowing about?
-'Queen II' was met pretty cold by critics.

Overrated:
-Just look at this: http://www.allmusic.com/album/believe-mw0002357910




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Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

Originally posted by iluvmarillion iluvmarillion wrote:

Originally posted by Metalmarsh89 Metalmarsh89 wrote:

LA Woman by the Doors is a good album, but there's a popular ratings site out there (I forget which one) that has it rated as the best album on the website. I find that surprising and think it's inaccurate.

"Strange Days" is easily the best album The Doors made. "Waiting For The Sun" would have surpassed it had not the suits in studio interfered with it and wrecked it. The Doors were never the same band afterwards. LA Woman contains a good collection of songs but no thought went into working the songs into a cohesive whole.

Just wondering, how did the suits interfere with and wreck Waiting for the Sun?  What would the un-interfered-with album have looked like?

Morrison's tone poem "The End" from the debut album seems to get all the attention because it features in the film "Apocalypse Now", but really the first album is just a collection of songs from the band's live performances, without much thought to the way the songs should fit together on the album (other than it should finish with the epic). Still a great album, but not as great as some people make out. Strange Days works so much better as a whole and "When The Music's Over" is a better epic song than "The End". Then Morrison ups the ante and composes his epic masterpiece, "Celebration Of The Lizard". Only problem is that we never get to hear it on the next album. He also writes the best short song he ever wrote, "Universal Soldier" which does appear on Waiting For The Sun so why not the epic? And the actual song "Waiting For The Sun" doesn't appear on this album, but appears on the next one, Morrison Hotel. And the opener for the Waiting For The Sun album is Hello, I Love You, which was a singles hit for The Doors, but it's one of the earliest songs The Doors wrote and a rip off of a Kinks song. Hello, I Love You has no connection with the quality of songs that The Doors were writing at this time, namely "Universal Soldier", Spanish Caravan", "Waiting For The Sun" and Morrison's epic masterpiece, "Celebration Of The Lizard".
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Originally posted by kjprogger kjprogger wrote:

I remember Rolling Stone raving about "The Final Cut" being a 5 Star "Masterpiece." Read for yourself:   http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/the-final-cut-19830414
I would easily rate 6 other Pink Floyd albums as better than The Final Cut. I find it a bit too dark and inaccessible. It misses Gilmour's yang to Waters' ying.

Final Cut is actually my fave PF album...Gilmour has a few great solo's but I'd agree he's treated more like a session musician than a proper writing/contributing member of the band Wink
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I remember Rolling Stone raving about "The Final Cut" being a 5 Star "Masterpiece." Read for yourself:   http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/the-final-cut-19830414
I would easily rate 6 other Pink Floyd albums as better than The Final Cut. I find it a bit too dark and inaccessible. It misses Gilmour's yang to Waters' ying.
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Points: 3073 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2013 at 13:42
Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:


Originally posted by iluvmarillion iluvmarillion wrote:


Originally posted by Metalmarsh89 Metalmarsh89 wrote:

LA Woman by the Doors is a good album, but there's a popular ratings site out there (I forget which one) that has it rated as the best album on the website. I find that surprising and think it's inaccurate.

"Strange Days" is easily the best album The Doors made. "Waiting For The Sun" would have surpassed it had not the suits in studio interfered with it and wrecked it. The Doors were never the same band afterwards. LA Woman contains a good collection of songs but no thought went into working the songs into a cohesive whole.
Just wondering, how did the suits interfere with and wreck Waiting for the Sun?  What would the un-interfered-with album have looked like?


It probably would have featured the full "Lizard" suite...although most reports tell that it was the band themselves that shelved the recordings of the full suite, because they were not satisfied with the result...

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Music critics who are wrong? Say it ain't so.

What about the once great Lester Bangs, who in this review of Captain Beefheart's The Spotlight Kid/Clear Spot http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/the-spotlight-kid-clear-spot-19720330 "foresees" future promise for the band. LOL Imagine Beefy making it big! I know folks back then perhaps were more susceptible to prog rock and experimental music, but I can't picture this album being played over the radio. Then again, I'm 31, I have no idea what it was like at the time - apart from what other folks relegate and what I happen to read.

There comes a time in the career of every pop musician who also happens to be a serious artist when he realizes the need for a balance between the most intensely personal type of statement and music of mass appeal. If he can strike that balance without compromising his integrity, he is probably a greater artist than even his staunchest fans previously suspected, and with any exposure at all the public would pick up immediately on the truth and beauty of what he is doing. With this album, Captain Beefheart has struck that balance with total success, and I wouldn't be surprised if he were a major star a year from now. Though you may have been a great shadow hovering over our music for half a decade now, Don, it can be said that in 1972 you've really arrived.



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Originally posted by Xonty Xonty wrote:


My most over-rated:

The Rolling Stones - Exile On Main Street 

While it is a great album, there are definitely some fairly mediocre songs, and just look what the critics gave it! 
 
To be fair, this album wasn't exactly given much praise upon its release...lots of negative reviews if I remember. It was only years later that it became heralded by rock critics as a bonified classic. A 'slow grower' I guess.
 
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Originally posted by iluvmarillion iluvmarillion wrote:

Originally posted by Metalmarsh89 Metalmarsh89 wrote:

LA Woman by the Doors is a good album, but there's a popular ratings site out there (I forget which one) that has it rated as the best album on the website. I find that surprising and think it's inaccurate.

"Strange Days" is easily the best album The Doors made. "Waiting For The Sun" would have surpassed it had not the suits in studio interfered with it and wrecked it. The Doors were never the same band afterwards. LA Woman contains a good collection of songs but no thought went into working the songs into a cohesive whole.

Just wondering, how did the suits interfere with and wreck Waiting for the Sun?  What would the un-interfered-with album have looked like?
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I think the last time I read a music review in a magazine was in the 80's. All reviews are subjective of course, but I'd take more notice of the opinions of someone on Progarchives, then some pretentious pr!ck at the Guardian who's probably more concerned with appearing to be cool than trying to be objective about the music.
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I think Roger Waters said Animals got fairly bad reviews, one reviewer calling it 'warmed over heavy metal'

Keith Emerson once said that ELP were referred to as a heavy metal band by one music hack.

I think music journalists are generally to be ignored.


If both of these reviews happened in the 1970's that's probably not much of a stretch. ELP were quite heavy compared to other musical acts around, and Animals is also quite heavy by Pink Floyd's standards.
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I think Roger Waters said Animals got fairly bad reviews, one reviewer calling it 'warmed over heavy metal'

Keith Emerson once said that ELP were referred to as a heavy metal band by one music hack.

I think music journalists are generally to be ignored.
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I think the last time I read a music review in a magazine was in the 80's. All reviews are subjective of course, but I'd take more notice of the opinions of someone on Progarchives, then some pretentious pr!ck at the Guardian who's probably more concerned with appearing to be cool than trying to be objective about the music.
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