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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2013 at 08:18
Originally posted by Warthur Warthur wrote:

I liked The Raven That Refused to Sing, but as far as avian prog goes the new Birds and Buildings album is a strong candidate for my end-of-year list.

yeah i am going to get hold of that Birds and Buildings - everyone is raven bout it... raven... get it? anyway sounds great
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2013 at 08:22
Just realised that Comedy of Errors album is listed as the 71 best prog album of all timeShocked

I've heard this one twice, and while it's definitely not my cup of tea (dad prog at it's most tiresome), it still boggles the mind how it's now rated above classics like Rubycon, Felona e Sorona, Space Shanty, L'Isola di Niente and Misplaced Childhood. 


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One of my faves this year:
While it's only an EP. it's still the return of Jaki Liebezeit and Irmin SchmidtCool
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2013 at 09:38
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2013 at 09:56
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^ Hi Nicholas, that was Three Monks and it was released 2010. Great album though.
Do you mean this one?



Richard! Hey. Yes I made a classic blunder with a very bad type-O if ya will. Meant to say THREE MONKS, so it is the same album you are talking about. Also, you are absolutely right! The year is 2010 for this album...guess I was trying to get greedy adding it my growing list of wonderful 2013 performances. Thank you for the corection my friend. It has now been documented into the mess I call my brain. Lol.

Oh and glad to hear you are enjoying the album. The Monks turn the classic Goblin song Profondo Rosso into an even more gothic, moody feel. What a lovely album all together, but I wanna give it a few more spins...many more spins actually. Highly enjoyable. :)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2013 at 10:03
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Just realised that Comedy of Errors album is listed as the 71 best prog album of all timeShocked
I've heard this one twice, and while it's definitely not my cup of tea (dad prog at it's most tiresome), it still boggles the mind how it's now rated above classics like Rubycon, Felona e Sorona, Space Shanty, L'Isola di Niente and Misplaced Childhood. 


I actually really enjoyed the album. Felt it was a very nice, strong blend of retro and modern Neo Prog sounds.
I have to say, that the COE album F&F grows on you like a crazy SOB. this was my experience for i did not enjoy it very much my first couple of spins, but I knew right off the bat their was still something special about it though.
The first 3 tracks are exceptional on the album. Really set the tone. Also love the Motet They did. That 'Church sound' has always agreed with me. Pretty epic. :) Anyway, the album doesn't hold any water against Rubycon!!! 2 different leagues man! You are right. That's not right I think.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2013 at 11:00
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:


Just realised that Comedy of Errors album is listed as the 71 best prog album of all timeShocked
I've heard this one twice, and while it's definitely not my cup of tea (dad prog at it's most tiresome), it still boggles the mind how it's now rated above classics like Rubycon, Felona e Sorona, Space Shanty, L'Isola di Niente and Misplaced Childhood. 

Hell, you know very well that rating on a scale from 1-5 is total
¤%&#¤¤&%&%/&, will never be the way to make a list of the top 100 albums.

Rating a brand new album :
A MASTERPIECE OF PROG ROCK, is like walking into an art school claiming you have found the next Picasso.

But for some reason it happens all the time.



Edited by tamijo - October 30 2013 at 11:09
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2013 at 11:34
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:


Just realised that Comedy of Errors album is listed as the 71 best prog album of all timeShocked
I've heard this one twice, and while it's definitely not my cup of tea (dad prog at it's most tiresome), it still boggles the mind how it's now rated above classics like Rubycon, Felona e Sorona, Space Shanty, L'Isola di Niente and Misplaced Childhood. 


I actually really enjoyed the album. Felt it was a very nice, strong blend of retro and modern Neo Prog sounds.
I have to say, that the COE album F&F grows on you like a crazy SOB. this was my experience for i did not enjoy it very much my first couple of spins, but I knew right off the bat their was still something special about it though.
The first 3 tracks are exceptional on the album. Really set the tone. Also love the Motet They did. That 'Church sound' has always agreed with me. Pretty epic. :) Anyway, the album doesn't hold any water against Rubycon!!! 2 different leagues man! You are right. That's not right I think.



I think you and I have very different tastes Nick - even if we adore some of the same stuffLOL Don't get me wrong, I'm rather chuffed that the current wave is getting so much love - I just wish it was the stuff that I was intoTongue Nah, I'm quite alright with being part of a minority of minorities. 
The last part of your post is something I completely agree with you onHandshake
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2013 at 11:38
Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:


Just realised that Comedy of Errors album is listed as the 71 best prog album of all timeShocked
I've heard this one twice, and while it's definitely not my cup of tea (dad prog at it's most tiresome), it still boggles the mind how it's now rated above classics like Rubycon, Felona e Sorona, Space Shanty, L'Isola di Niente and Misplaced Childhood. 

Hell, you know very well that rating on a scale from 1-5 is total
¤%&#¤¤&%&%/&, will never be the way to make a list of the top 100 albums.

Rating a brand new album :
A MASTERPIECE OF PROG ROCK, is like walking into an art school claiming you have found the next Picasso.

But for some reason it happens all the time.


I know, I know - trust me, we go through this a couple of times a year, so I should probably know better by now. There are, however, things that rub me the wrong way - and even if I can't do squat about it, I'll still voice my opinion. Here it's to do with a seemingly prog-by-the-numbers album (my opinion of course) sky-rocketing our chartConfused It could also be about the lack of chicks on PA hoho...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2013 at 12:18
Hello everyone! Please help Progshine to define the best 2013 albums by taking our Survey.

You can choose up to 10 albums. The second update is now online with many info. If you have your list ready please vote up, we have 145 album on this survey Smile

http://www.progshine.net/2013/10/progshines-best-2013-albums-update-2.html
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2013 at 13:24
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One of my faves this year:
While it's only an EP. it's still the return of Jaki Liebezeit and Irmin SchmidtCool
Awesome album cover in the style of my favourite Abstract expressionism painter, Nicolas de Stael.
 
 
That's it. A monumental simplicity Cool
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2013 at 09:54
Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:


Just realised that Comedy of Errors album is listed as the 71 best prog album of all timeShocked
I've heard this one twice, and while it's definitely not my cup of tea (dad prog at it's most tiresome), it still boggles the mind how it's now rated above classics like Rubycon, Felona e Sorona, Space Shanty, L'Isola di Niente and Misplaced Childhood. 

Hell, you know very well that rating on a scale from 1-5 is total
¤%&#¤¤&%&%/&, will never be the way to make a list of the top 100 albums.

Rating a brand new album :
A MASTERPIECE OF PROG ROCK, is like walking into an art school claiming you have found the next Picasso.

But for some reason it happens all the time.



I think the problem is that some people or proggers if ya will, are too quick on rating the album. I know their are a ton of people out there who can get carried away with just one listen of an album. I think one of the cardinal rules should be that if you are gonna rate an album truthfully based on how you feel about it, you should at least listen to the album 3 times   Before giving it a review, especially with Prog music in general.
That I think would be fair, even though you can go back and change your rating in the first place.

As one rates an album it becomes part of PA permantly and a part of your personal database.
Just be honest with yourself. That is my advice. FYI, the COE album I feel deserved a 4 with me.
It's a good album to have with in the Neo Prog category.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2013 at 09:57
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:


Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:


Just realised that Comedy of Errors album is listed as the 71 best prog album of all timeShocked
I've heard this one twice, and while it's definitely not my cup of tea (dad prog at it's most tiresome), it still boggles the mind how it's now rated above classics like Rubycon, Felona e Sorona, Space Shanty, L'Isola di Niente and Misplaced Childhood. 

Hell, you know very well that rating on a scale from 1-5 is total
¤%&#¤¤&%&%/&, will never be the way to make a list of the top 100 albums.

Rating a brand new album :
A MASTERPIECE OF PROG ROCK, is like walking into an art school claiming you have found the next Picasso.

But for some reason it happens all the time.


I know, I know - trust me, we go through this a couple of times a year, so I should probably know better by now. There are, however, things that rub me the wrong way - and even if I can't do squat about it, I'll still voice my opinion. Here it's to do with a seemingly prog-by-the-numbers album (my opinion of course) sky-rocketing our chartConfused It could also be about the lack of chicks on PA hoho...


Do you think girls in general would be more decisive in reviewing and rating their albums?
Man....I don't know.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2013 at 10:05
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:


Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:


Just realised that Comedy of Errors album is listed as the 71 best prog album of all timeShocked
I've heard this one twice, and while it's definitely not my cup of tea (dad prog at it's most tiresome), it still boggles the mind how it's now rated above classics like Rubycon, Felona e Sorona, Space Shanty, L'Isola di Niente and Misplaced Childhood. 


I actually really enjoyed the album. Felt it was a very nice, strong blend of retro and modern Neo Prog sounds.
I have to say, that the COE album F&F grows on you like a crazy SOB. this was my experience for i did not enjoy it very much my first couple of spins, but I knew right off the bat their was still something special about it though.
The first 3 tracks are exceptional on the album. Really set the tone. Also love the Motet They did. That 'Church sound' has always agreed with me. Pretty epic. :) Anyway, the album doesn't hold any water against Rubycon!!! 2 different leagues man! You are right. That's not right I think.


I think you and I have very different tastes Nick - even if we adore some of the same stuffLOL Don't get me wrong, I'm rather chuffed that the current wave is getting so much love - I just wish it was the stuff that I was intoTongue Nah, I'm quite alright with being part of a minority of minorities. 
The last part of your post is something I completely agree with you onHandshake


Yes. Yes we do buddy and that to me is a very good thing. We do have our basis for understanding what some truly incredible Prog delights out there. ;) I appreciate the difference with in the core of our music tastes because pooling our resources together leads to some great discoveries sound wise for us.
The difference engine is up and running in the form of a BIG BIG train.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2013 at 16:20
I don't we should get too hung up about ratings although I have gone in and changed at least 3 of my reviews/ratings later but in all cases I have upgraded not downgraded. I will never feel guilty about overrating an album but it does bother me when after sticking a 2 star rating I then find myself enjoying the album much more over time. A lot of albums are overrated on this site imo. Its interesting that only about 60 albums have ever got more than 1000 reviews which also is very significant. The pool of reviewers and thereby reviews just isn't big enough.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2013 at 09:15
^There's another way of looking at this: maybe there aren't that many albums on this site which have more than a 1000 reviews, but do we really need more Close to the Edge/Foxtrot/Dark Side of the Moon etc etc reviews, or are we perhaps more interested in reviews that deals with the thousands of albums with little or nothing mentioned of before? At the moment I am seeing a lot of obscure bands getting reviews. Take a look at Steve's (HolyMoly) reviews - GruvanDahlman, VOTOMS, The Italian Octopus, Neu!mann, Sagichim, The Kangaroo, coasterzombie, John the Mellotron (as alwaysBig smile) and the list literally goes on and on.
Personally, I think there's room for both - and I do enjoy a well written review that offers up a new approach to FoxtrotSmile 
I guess one of the only things that bothers me about the reviews, is the continuous stream of folks who try and manipulate the system in order to climb some completely irrelevant list. Something that reduces the music you and I adore to fecking sports. "Oh yeah let's go for the gold on Prog Archives - The TOP spot!"Ermm


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2013 at 09:45
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:


Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:


Just realised that Comedy of Errors album is listed as the 71 best prog album of all timeShocked
I've heard this one twice, and while it's definitely not my cup of tea (dad prog at it's most tiresome), it still boggles the mind how it's now rated above classics like Rubycon, Felona e Sorona, Space Shanty, L'Isola di Niente and Misplaced Childhood. 


I actually really enjoyed the album. Felt it was a very nice, strong blend of retro and modern Neo Prog sounds.
I have to say, that the COE album F&F grows on you like a crazy SOB. this was my experience for i did not enjoy it very much my first couple of spins, but I knew right off the bat their was still something special about it though.
The first 3 tracks are exceptional on the album. Really set the tone. Also love the Motet They did. That 'Church sound' has always agreed with me. Pretty epic. :) Anyway, the album doesn't hold any water against Rubycon!!! 2 different leagues man! You are right. That's not right I think.


I think you and I have very different tastes Nick - even if we adore some of the same stuffLOL Don't get me wrong, I'm rather chuffed that the current wave is getting so much love - I just wish it was the stuff that I was intoTongue Nah, I'm quite alright with being part of a minority of minorities. 
The last part of your post is something I completely agree with you onHandshake


Yes. Yes we do buddy and that to me is a very good thing. We do have our basis for understanding what some truly incredible Prog delights out there. ;) I appreciate the difference with in the core of our music tastes because pooling our resources together leads to some great discoveries sound wise for us.
The difference engine is up and running in the form of a BIG BIG train.   


Huge Train indeedCool
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1.The Raven That Refused To Sing - Steven Wilson
2.English Electric 2/ Full Power - Big Big Train
3.Feast of Consequences - Fish
4.Dimensionaut - Sound Of Contact
5.27 Club - Magenta
6.The Mountain - Haken
7.Desolation Rose - The Flower Kings
8.Le Sacre du Travail - The Tangent
9.Brief Nocturnes and Dreamless Sleep - Spock's Beard
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I would like to join the brief discussion regarding the ratings system and, specifically, I would like to address progbethyname's comment regarding people who rate a brand new album "A MASTERPIECE OF PROG ROCK." I, myself, am one of those who are apparently gifted enough to recognize a new masterpiece upon first listen. I have to admit:  I have always had this gift. I can distinctly remember the first time I heard virtually every album I've ever heard and remember the psychoemotional effect that album and its songs had on me. I remember that first hearing of Brazil '66, the first hearing of Sgt. Pepper's, Magical Mystery Tour, Abbey Road, Days of Future Passed, Demons & WIzards, Band on the Run, Dark Side of the Moon, Houses of the Holy, Fragile, Relayer, Trick of the Tail, Moving Waves, Tales of Mystery and Imagination, Remember the  Future, Dreamboat Annie, Crisis? What Crisis? Novella, Interview, etc., etc., etc. As a matter of fact, I have VERY vivid memories of all of these SIGNIFICANT events in my life--it's as if I am there again as I think upon them again. But time has not jaded my love for music nor the effect it has on me--even though I have explored different genres of music (Jazz, Classical, New Age, World, Americana, Folk, Soul/R & B, et al.) Thus, I STILL have encounters with new music that blow me away; believe it or not, there is still  music being made today, 50 years after the electric guitar became the accepted standard bearer of rock music, that is fresh, innovative, beautiful, evocative, shocking, astounding, sublime, meaningful, and praise-worthy. Neither music nor 'prog rock' are dead, in my humble opinion. The esteem and opinions I form over music seldom change but my appreciation and understanding can always deepen. I LOVE music. I cannot explain it but I LOVE music! And I feel deeply honored that the creative souls on the planet at this time have found a way to get their courageous expression to my ears and am not afraid to commend them for their courage, skill, talent, and creativity.
     I may have had trouble recognizing a Picasso (from any period of his) as a masterpiece, but then my soul seems to resonate more with the Impressionists, and especially with Pissarro, Sisley, Whistler, and Bougereau. But, then, visual art is not where my soul responds the most profoundly. Music and film would be the areas most attuned with my favored forms of expression.
     To say that nothing masterful or worth praising or recommending has come around since Bach or Picasso or Murnau is just not my truth. To praise the masterful composition, conceptualization, organization, instrumental or vocal performance, recording, engineering, and production of a new release is easy for me because my ear and brain are tuned into that sort of thing, always have been, probably always will be. It is the way I am hard-wired. It may be the essence of my spiritual makeup. 
     Now, do I have biases and blind spots? Yes! I do! I have a lot of trouble with a lot of music. I choose to not give those musics much attention or energy. Instead, I enjoy sharing my praise and (hopefully) constructive criticism with artists and sharing the music that most excites me with other self-professed music lovers. (You.) To repeat something you may have seen me say in the past:  I find the lower star ratings to be almost impossible to use. This is due to the fact that I have incredible respect and praise for any artist that has what it takes to put together an album of music. With the ease of self-publication these days, my standards have been a bit shaken, but then, we're probably able to hear far more diverse sound and styles because an artist does not have to win over other people just to get his/her music made/published. Still, having made music, I know what hard work it can be; I cannot imagine ever saying that a particular piece of music is not worthy of anyone else even trying. I have said that there are some musics that I feel have little or no contribution to the betterment of the world, to the evolutionary advancement of the soul. But then I rarely (have to) come across those.
     Masterpieces, just like miracles, happen every day. Maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones who is open to them.

We can learn through suffering or we can learn through joy. We've all been given all of the tools necessary to do both. The choice is yours and yours alone. 
   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2013 at 02:47
Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

I would like to join the brief discussion regarding the ratings system and, specifically, I would like to address progbethyname's comment regarding people who rate a brand new album "A MASTERPIECE OF PROG ROCK." I, myself, am one of those who are apparently gifted enough to recognize a new masterpiece upon first listen. I have to admit:  I have always had this gift. I can distinctly remember the first time I heard virtually every album I've ever heard and remember the psychoemotional effect that album and its songs had on me. I remember that first hearing of Brazil '66, the first hearing of Sgt. Pepper's, Magical Mystery Tour, Abbey Road, Days of Future Passed, Demons & WIzards, Band on the Run, Dark Side of the Moon, Houses of the Holy, Fragile, Relayer, Trick of the Tail, Moving Waves, Tales of Mystery and Imagination, Remember the  Future, Dreamboat Annie, Crisis? What Crisis? Novella, Interview, etc., etc., etc. As a matter of fact, I have VERY vivid memories of all of these SIGNIFICANT events in my life--it's as if I am there again as I think upon them again. But time has not jaded my love for music nor the effect it has on me--even though I have explored different genres of music (Jazz, Classical, New Age, World, Americana, Folk, Soul/R & B, et al.) Thus, I STILL have encounters with new music that blow me away; believe it or not, there is still  music being made today, 50 years after the electric guitar became the accepted standard bearer of rock music, that is fresh, innovative, beautiful, evocative, shocking, astounding, sublime, meaningful, and praise-worthy. Neither music nor 'prog rock' are dead, in my humble opinion. The esteem and opinions I form over music seldom change but my appreciation and understanding can always deepen. I LOVE music. I cannot explain it but I LOVE music! And I feel deeply honored that the creative souls on the planet at this time have found a way to get their courageous expression to my ears and am not afraid to commend them for their courage, skill, talent, and creativity.
     I may have had trouble recognizing a Picasso (from any period of his) as a masterpiece, but then my soul seems to resonate more with the Impressionists, and especially with Pissarro, Sisley, Whistler, and Bougereau. But, then, visual art is not where my soul responds the most profoundly. Music and film would be the areas most attuned with my favored forms of expression.
     To say that nothing masterful or worth praising or recommending has come around since Bach or Picasso or Murnau is just not my truth. To praise the masterful composition, conceptualization, organization, instrumental or vocal performance, recording, engineering, and production of a new release is easy for me because my ear and brain are tuned into that sort of thing, always have been, probably always will be. It is the way I am hard-wired. It may be the essence of my spiritual makeup. 
     Now, do I have biases and blind spots? Yes! I do! I have a lot of trouble with a lot of music. I choose to not give those musics much attention or energy. Instead, I enjoy sharing my praise and (hopefully) constructive criticism with artists and sharing the music that most excites me with other self-professed music lovers. (You.) To repeat something you may have seen me say in the past:  I find the lower star ratings to be almost impossible to use. This is due to the fact that I have incredible respect and praise for any artist that has what it takes to put together an album of music. With the ease of self-publication these days, my standards have been a bit shaken, but then, we're probably able to hear far more diverse sound and styles because an artist does not have to win over other people just to get his/her music made/published. Still, having made music, I know what hard work it can be; I cannot imagine ever saying that a particular piece of music is not worthy of anyone else even trying. I have said that there are some musics that I feel have little or no contribution to the betterment of the world, to the evolutionary advancement of the soul. But then I rarely (have to) come across those.
     Masterpieces, just like miracles, happen every day. Maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones who is open to them.

We can learn through suffering or we can learn through joy. We've all been given all of the tools necessary to do both. The choice is yours and yours alone. 
   

That is quite some post . Not sure what I can add but thanks for sharing your thoughts on this.
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