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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Windhawk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2013 at 14:59
Popping in here briefly with some info that may or may not be of interest.
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Muzikreviews.com labels itself as providing “artist services” and charge $25 for a guaranteed review which they then post on their site and also to a number of syndicated sites including Progarchives and Sea of Tranquillity. They make a point (as all the sites charging for reviews do) of saying that the review will be honest and accurate. I looked at the last twenty reviews on their site and all scored 4/5 or 5/5 except one which got 3.5/5."
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aapatsos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2013 at 15:26
It does not sound very good - but then again if it is an honest review (we cannot judge this) from individuals I assume it is not against site policy (?)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Windhawk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2013 at 15:36
Not against policy to my knowledge no, hence why I posted this one in reviews discussions. But as it appears that services of this kind is on the rise, it's something worth monitoring.

And then there's the ticklish issue of syndication of course.

Leaving this one for discussion or silence to those with an interest. But with this I've highlighted the main points of possible interest I think.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dayvenkirq Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2013 at 15:39
"Artist services"? That's new to me. What's exactly the logistics behind that? An artist pays them $25 for a review (good or bad) ?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2013 at 16:50
I'm not a fan of any review that appears on multiple sites, even those that are shared between us and MMA or JMA. People who are interested in a particular album or artist can search the internet as well as anyone can, if they see the same review more than once I feel they are liable to disregard it entirely. Spreading the review around the internet does not spread the word to more people, it merely dilutes the review itself.
 
It also makes it harder for me to spot deliberate plagiarism or intentional rating abuse, so I'm less inclined to give the benefit of the doubt and will presume they are guilty until proved innocent.
 
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

People who are interested in a particular album or artist can search the internet as well as anyone can, if they see the same review more than once I feel they are liable to disregard it entirely. Spreading the review around the internet does not spread the word to more people, ... 
If they do. I think it's more a matter of awareness of several websites. So, what if a review is posted on only one website, one that you don't know about, and therefore may not have a chance to learn something from that review?

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Spreading the review around the internet does not spread the word to more people, it merely dilutes the review itself.
How does that dilute the review, if I may ask?
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

People who are interested in a particular album or artist can search the internet as well as anyone can, if they see the same review more than once I feel they are liable to disregard it entirely. Spreading the review around the internet does not spread the word to more people, ... 
If they do. I think it's more a matter of awareness of several websites. So, what if a review is posted on only one website, one that you don't know about, and therefore may not have a chance to learn something from that review?
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Spreading the review around the internet does not spread the word to more people, it merely dilutes the review itself.
How does that dilute the review, if I may ask?
Metaphorically.
 
 
 
 
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...have you been re-published reviews on our website Andrey? Wink


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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

People who are interested in a particular album or artist can search the internet as well as anyone can, if they see the same review more than once I feel they are liable to disregard it entirely. Spreading the review around the internet does not spread the word to more people, ... 
If they do. I think it's more a matter of awareness of several websites. So, what if a review is posted on only one website, one that you don't know about, and therefore may not have a chance to learn something from that review?
Pardon?
Why does it matter how well you can cruise the Web? So you can. So what?

Spreading the review does spread the word to more people. Say, people on an obscure site A don't know of another obscure site B, and people on site B don't know of site A. Neither group has heard of each other. There are only so many websites with reviews (RYM, PA, JMA, MMA, Sea of Tranquility, etc.) that I just don't care about others. Say, there's a really good review on pokeme.com (some website I haven't heard of) that was not posted anywhere else on the Web. But I don't go on that website 'cause, well, I don't have the time and the ambition to go there.

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:


Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Spreading the review around the internet does not spread the word to more people, it merely dilutes the review itself.
How does that dilute the review, if I may ask?
Metaphorically.

 
Ermm
How does that work metaphorically?
 
 
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

...have you been re-published reviews on our website Andrey? Wink
My own reviews? ... Clown

I must have done that to one or two reviews, but, like I said, I don't have the time or the energy or the ambition to do that to every Tom, Dick, and Harry in my "back-catalogue".



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I write for powerofmetal.dk, but I use my reviews for PA as well.  Why?  A few reasons: 1. I put heart into my reviews, and so I want to get the most use of them.  2. PA and PoM are two different crowds.  One is prog, and one is metal.  Most of those readers don't come here, and PA members don't browse there, as they are often met with "Aborted Fetus" or "Carcass" or other nasty metal bands.  Right beside them, though, is my review for Riversea, Haken, The Twenty Committee (my editor gives me free rein), etc.,  so I consider it a victory to get prog in front of these guys.  You know what?  They are really enjoying it!  3.  Lastly, I do it because I'm not paid for either site.  This is MY writing.  I can do what I like with it.  If I were paid by PoM, they would stay there.  As it were, I simply write my thoughts, and then post them two different places where I have contact with different sets of people.  So, yes, Dean, it does reach more people and, no, it doesn't dilute the review.  My Haken review was one of the first available on the internet, and it was the only one on PA for around a month.  I saw my review from both sites being passed around the internet, and no one ever questioned (or probably even knew) that it was on both sites.  However, the few people that have noticed about other reviews think it's great, and now they know me by name.  It's about community.
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Doesn't change my opinion. I still dislike the practice no matter how you justify it to yourselves.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote octopus-4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2013 at 10:29
I have done it once. I have written a review on JMA for an artist who has been included later on PA and I have reused the same review adding just a line saying that it was originallly written for that site. (or it was wriiten for PA and reused on JMA, I don't remember).
 
The story about the 25$ gives me brivids. When an artist contacts me for a review I never ask for physical copies, and even when I have a download link I feel like I'm stealing their music because I'm not a professional writer and I don't think that my reviews can help the artist in improving their sales.
 
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Doesn't change my opinion. I still dislike the practice no matter how you justify it to yourselves.
Ermm Confused What's to justify? Like there's something wrong with that.
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Doesn't change my opinion. I still dislike the practice no matter how you justify it to yourselves.

Read: I'm stubborn, and I also have no idea what I'm talking about anyways.
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Because he's a f**king idiot
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Paying for reviews sounds horribly wrong.

Posting your review twice does not, especially if you mention the original source of your review. Flooding the web with 10 same reviews sounds silly, so common sense should apply IMO.
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Because he's a f**king idiot

Seriously?  Grow up.  I just pointed out the obvious.  It doesn't matter what kind of explanation someone gives you, you won't respect anyone's opinion but your own.  That's fine.  It doesn't mean you have to start calling people names.  What is this?  High school?
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I think posting the same review on multiple sites is a joke.Again this is not for artists benefit, it is ( and lets be brutally honest here) for the reviewers' own ambitions of coverage. Again this is a behavioural issue. I love RYM and I remember way back thinking to myself " Let me cut and paste all my PA reviews to RYM"....I got through about 5 and thought....nah this does not feel right, it's cheating.....My opinion for what it's worth. Give the site you are immersed in some credibility, we can all cut and paste
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sukmytoe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2013 at 23:59
Personally I enjoy Jason's reviews and his input relating to PA. I sign into PA every day at least in order to connect with the music I love and with people that are like minded - I don't bother with other sites as PA is more than good enough to satisfy my musical bent. I will say that relating to the recent posts here in this thread I'm not anti anyone using his reviews here elsewhere as I ask myself what harm it could possibly do and my answer to that is none that I can immediately discern. On the up side if I was on another site and I read a review that I enjoyed from a writer that I ascertained to come from the PA mainstream then I would follow that writer onto PA and another member here would be the result.  
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Originally posted by Second Life Syndrome Second Life Syndrome wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Because he's a f**king idiot

Seriously?  Grow up.  I just pointed out the obvious.  It doesn't matter what kind of explanation someone gives you, you won't respect anyone's opinion but your own.  That's fine.  It doesn't mean you have to start calling people names.  What is this?  High school?
I am as grown up as I need to be or as I want to be. Your reply was unnecessary and unwarranted. I state my opinion, you put words in my mouth that I never said, something that can do nothing but further lower my opinion of you. You talk of respect but failed to give it.
 
 
Until now I have been restrained in what I posted, so now I shall state my opinion more forcefully: I do not approve of people posting secondhand reviews on our site, when this is done by an appointed collaborator of this site I find that to be reprehensible and inexcusable.
 
 
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