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HolyMoly wrote: The Bearded Bard wrote: Anybody here heard of Undertakers Circus? They're a Norwegian '70's band that played brassy rock. Chris, you might perhaps be familier with them? Fans of Chicago, Blood Sweat & Tears, Colosseum, The Moody Blues or BJH should check them out. http://grooveshark.com/#!/album/Ragnarock/5598603 Considering suggesting them for JR/F or Xover. What do you guys think of their music, and also their chances of getting in? I think they have their best chance in JR/F, since BST and Chicago both reside there.  I hear a little prog in there though not a lot, so it could go either way I think.   BST and Chicago are themselves borderline cases in my opinion, essentially pop bands with varying degrees of prog rock inclinations (more on the early stuff, naturally).  Plus they started earlier (late 60s) and were internationally known, which adds to their "importance" in music history (whether or not that matters to you or me personally).  So the argument  that "they sound like these bands, and these bands are in PA, so therefore my band should be in PA" usually does not go too far (though it does cause controversy and accusations of unfairness etc).  But if it catches the JR/F team in the right mood, I think they may go for it.

I've always kind of found JR/F to be somewhat a borderline case for inclusion on a prog site anyways.  Don't get we wrong, as I appreciate the presence of this area and have found some good bands within it, but that doesn't mean that I am not a bit skeptical about including jazz bands under the prog umbrella. 

Morello played the guitar on The Faculty soundtrack, featured with Class of '99 for their cover of Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall (pt. 2)"

Tom Morello jams with Tool at Bonnaroo.

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Hey, watch your mouth, youngling! You weren't present in 1993!

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rushfan4 wrote: HolyMoly wrote: The Bearded Bard wrote: Anybody here heard of Undertakers Circus? They're a Norwegian '70's band that played brassy rock. Chris, you might perhaps be familier with them? Fans of Chicago, Blood Sweat & Tears, Colosseum, The Moody Blues or BJH should check them out. http://grooveshark.com/#!/album/Ragnarock/5598603 Considering suggesting them for JR/F or Xover. What do you guys think of their music, and also their chances of getting in? I think they have their best chance in JR/F, since BST and Chicago both reside there.  I hear a little prog in there though not a lot, so it could go either way I think.   BST and Chicago are themselves borderline cases in my opinion, essentially pop bands with varying degrees of prog rock inclinations (more on the early stuff, naturally).  Plus they started earlier (late 60s) and were internationally known, which adds to their "importance" in music history (whether or not that matters to you or me personally).  So the argument  that "they sound like these bands, and these bands are in PA, so therefore my band should be in PA" usually does not go too far (though it does cause controversy and accusations of unfairness etc).  But if it catches the JR/F team in the right mood, I think they may go for it. I've always kind of found JR/F to be somewhat a borderline case for inclusion on a prog site anyways.  Don't get we wrong, as I appreciate the presence of this area and have found some good bands within it, but that doesn't mean that I am not a bit skeptical about including jazz bands under the prog umbrella.

I know what you mean.  Jazz/rock fusion is really a separate thing from prog rock, though it can be progressive.  Some actual prog bands don't really belong anywhere else, though.   For example, Secret Oyster, one of my favorite old bands from the 70s.  They had no vocals, and the bandleader was a sax player, but I really don't think of them as Jazz Rock Fusion.  Same goes for Kraan.   But where else would they fit?  Kraan could probably survive in Krautrock, but what about Secret Oyster?  Canterbury is probably closest, but that's a big stretch (not least because they're from Denmark).  So I guess that genre has some use here.  But then it opens the site up to Herbie Hancock and Miles Davis and all that stuff, which is great, but pretty far from what the scope of prog rock essentially is.

inb4 chair-throwing argument about genre classifications at PA


Edited by HolyMoly - July 25 2013 at 15:16

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CPicard wrote: SolarLuna96 wrote: rushfan4 wrote: God is in here? Yes I am. For some reasons, I doubt that you're God.

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I was pressent in 1993,yeah.

rushfan4 wrote: HolyMoly wrote: The Bearded Bard wrote: Anybody here heard of Undertakers Circus? They're a Norwegian '70's band that played brassy rock. Chris, you might perhaps be familier with them? Fans of Chicago, Blood Sweat & Tears, Colosseum, The Moody Blues or BJH should check them out. http://grooveshark.com/#!/album/Ragnarock/5598603 Considering suggesting them for JR/F or Xover. What do you guys think of their music, and also their chances of getting in? I think they have their best chance in JR/F, since BST and Chicago both reside there.  I hear a little prog in there though not a lot, so it could go either way I think.   BST and Chicago are themselves borderline cases in my opinion, essentially pop bands with varying degrees of prog rock inclinations (more on the early stuff, naturally).  Plus they started earlier (late 60s) and were internationally known, which adds to their "importance" in music history (whether or not that matters to you or me personally).  So the argument  that "they sound like these bands, and these bands are in PA, so therefore my band should be in PA" usually does not go too far (though it does cause controversy and accusations of unfairness etc).  But if it catches the JR/F team in the right mood, I think they may go for it. I've always kind of found JR/F to be somewhat a borderline case for inclusion on a prog site anyways.  Don't get we wrong, as I appreciate the presence of this area and have found some good bands within it, but that doesn't mean that I am not a bit skeptical about including jazz bands under the prog umbrella.

Yeah, I don't hear much prog in them either, Steve, but there's enough there for the New Suggestions and JR/F collabs to at least consider them, I think. I've seen them compared with those bands I mentioned, and I somewhat agree with those comparisons, but I agree that doesn't mean a lot, and for those who make the decisions about which artists to include on the site it probably doesn't mean squat, and nor should it.

Yeah, I see your point, Scott, and I somewhat agree, but jazz rock and fusion artists did, to some degree at least, contribute to the development and evolution of progressive rock, didn't they?

Thanks for your input, guys. I'll probably suggest them someday very soon.