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progbethyname 
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 Posted: May 17 2013 at 21:35 |
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Ok ok. Let's just slow down and really ask ourselves where or what we would be without critical thought that is a prime result of philosophy. Where? I look at so many bands I love and their music is rittled with philosophical concepts and thoughts on a lyrical basis. Sheesh. Subject matter would be somf**king boring if ya ask me.
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Larree
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Posted: May 17 2013 at 21:32 |
 The T wrote:
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All great artists have their own philosophies that are the fiber that makes their art breath life. No philosophy. No breath. |
What you define here as philosophy is not anything else but a worldview or just a way of thinking. All people have one, not just artists. And you have quite the romanticized view of artists. Some of the greatest of all time have been quite regular individuals who didn't want to change the world and didn't care about the "why" of things except how to make their music/colors/letters work to create a work of art. |
Come on, T. Of course those regular individuals wondered why. Constantly!
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Larree
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Posted: May 17 2013 at 21:28 |
dr wu23 wrote:
The T wrote:
Larree wrote:
All great artists have their own philosophies that are the fiber that makes their art breath life. No philosophy. No breath. |
What you define here as philosophy is not anything else but a worldview or just a way of thinking. All people have one, not just artists. And you have quite the romanticized view of artists. Some of the greatest of all time have been quite regular individuals who didn't want to change the world and didn't care about the "why" of things except how to make their music/colors/letters work to create a work of art. |
Uh...philosophy is a world view and a way of thinking on one level. |
Right on, Dr. Wu!
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Larree
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Posted: May 17 2013 at 21:27 |
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And music does a lot more than "just" entertain me. If all I wanted was entertainment I would watch one of those music star game shows.  |
What else does it do? |
Wow. Really? Okay. Music inspires me and invigorates my mind. Listening to great music makes me want to be more inventive and creative in all aspects of my life. Is that a good start?
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dr wu23
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Posted: May 17 2013 at 21:23 |
The T wrote:
Larree wrote:
All great artists have their own philosophies that are the fiber that makes their art breath life. No philosophy. No breath. |
What you define here as philosophy is not anything else but a worldview or just a way of thinking. All people have one, not just artists. And you have quite the romanticized view of artists. Some of the greatest of all time have been quite regular individuals who didn't want to change the world and didn't care about the "why" of things except how to make their music/colors/letters work to create a work of art. |
Uh...philosophy is a world view and a way of thinking on one level.
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Posted: May 17 2013 at 21:18 |
Larree wrote:
And music does a lot more than "just" entertain me. If all I wanted was entertainment I would watch one of those music star game shows. |
What else does it do?
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Posted: May 17 2013 at 21:17 |
Larree wrote:
All great artists have their own philosophies that are the fiber that makes their art breath life. No philosophy. No breath. |
What you define here as philosophy is not anything else but a worldview or just a way of thinking. All people have one, not just artists. And you have quite the romanticized view of artists. Some of the greatest of all time have been quite regular individuals who didn't want to change the world and didn't care about the "why" of things except how to make their music/colors/letters work to create a work of art.
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progbethyname
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Posted: May 17 2013 at 21:15 |
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If we had no philosophy, history, fictional stories, poetry, or music - yes, music (Because we would not have music either if we did not have the other stuff.) - we would not be conscious of anything except the here and now. Nothing wrong with here and now, but like I said... if we only had the here and now that would put us on the same level as farm animals. We would simply be some other creature's food. |
Exactly. f**king boring coputers with meat. I'd say it would be pretty hard to reach Into that inspiration bag and pull out something decent if we had no philosophy. Philosophy is the 'logos' and epistemology of how we disect our beings as a whole. What could be more interesting other than prog of course!?
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Larree
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Posted: May 17 2013 at 21:04 |
And music does a lot more than "just" entertain me. If all I wanted was entertainment I would watch one of those music star game shows.
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dr wu23
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Posted: May 17 2013 at 21:03 |
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^ Actually true. Because it's all connected. All art has connections to philosophy. We would be robots without it. Our art would suck. |
Spot on......but the material reductionists simply don't get that,,, or don't want to. To them it's all just hardwired brain cells, etc etc....nothing to see here move on.
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dr wu23
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Posted: May 17 2013 at 21:01 |
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Wow, philosophy has a life of its own. It's self-sustaining. |
Yes..just like politics and progressive rock websites.
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dr wu23
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Posted: May 17 2013 at 20:58 |
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
"Heroes hands drain stones for blood
To whet the scaling knife.
Magi blind with visions light
Net death in dread of life.
Their children kneel in jesus till
They learn the price of nails;
Whilst all around our mother earth
Waits balanced on the scales."
To me very evocative stuff. |
Whereas to me it reads as complete bollocks and I'm a huge KC fan. I guess mileage varies. |
Well...you just don't understand it then.
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dr wu23
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Posted: May 17 2013 at 20:57 |
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A song change a person's life? I'm not too clear on the possibilities of that. |
Not sure who it was here but someone said Revealing Science of God by Yes made him think about going into a different carreer.
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Larree
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Posted: May 17 2013 at 20:38 |
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All great artists have their own philosophies that are the fiber that makes their art breath life. No philosophy. No breath.
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Posted: May 17 2013 at 20:17 |
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Larree
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Posted: May 17 2013 at 19:48 |
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^ Actually true. Because it's all connected. All art has connections to philosophy. We would be robots without it. Our art would suck.
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Posted: May 17 2013 at 19:41 |
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False. We could still have music, history, and all the rest without philosophy. All the rest have an specific objective/purpose/matter/whatever. Only philosophy concerns itself with answering unanswerable questions. History tells us what happened. Music entertains us. So does poetry. Philosophy asks obvious questions and poses no real answers. I'm not seeing the connection you make. Music, history, poetry, is the here and the now (or "then" in history). Philosophy is the "what the hell".
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Larree
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Posted: May 17 2013 at 19:37 |
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If we had no philosophy, history, fictional stories, poetry, or music - yes, music (Because we would not have music either if we did not have the other stuff.) - we would not be conscious of anything except the here and now. Nothing wrong with here and now, but like I said... if we only had the here and now that would put us on the same level as farm animals. We would simply be some other creature's food.
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The T
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Posted: May 17 2013 at 18:44 |
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^Dean, today I can't agree more with you.
Though it actually has a purpose, as I have said before: to ensure that there are future generations of philosophers who teach philosophy so there can be schools where new philosophers are trained to be the future professors.
Wow, philosophy has a life of its own. It's self-sustaining.
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Posted: May 17 2013 at 18:17 |
HolyMoly wrote:
So that's it, then? We've got the world figured out, and there's no need to question our systems of thought any more? I just have a strong feeling that we're not done explaining stuff yet - science has so little to say about what "life" actually is, or how the brain really works, for example. Some stuff can't be reduced to atoms. |
Philosophy does not answer any of those, nor does it even attempt to get close to explaining any of them. In 3000 years of documented Philosophy we've not one single philosophical explanation of anything that has any practical application. In fact philosophy has been so self-absorbed it has managed to confuse itself on exactly what an explanation is such that it is impossible to give an explanation on what actually constitutes an explanation. Philosophy is never going to tell us what "life" actually is no matter how many philosophers we put onto the problem, we will never arrive at an explanation - an infinity of philosophers pounding at an infinity of typewriters for an eternity will result in precisely nothing... So Mr Kant, we arrive at the end of the Universe so it is time to see what you have produced in that eternity on your trusty Remington Model No.5, so let us look at what have you written here? "To be is to do", Right. Is that it? Really? The sum total of an infinity of years of work is six words that we in the trade call 'taking the piss'... you do realise that people will be making jokes about this in the future; anything else? "Happiness is not an ideal of reason, but of imagination"... right, I see, you managed a few more random words there that almost make sense... if you'd spent a night at the tavern on cheap wine that is; any other pearls of wisdom you wish to share? "Science is organised knowledge. Wisdom is organised life" .. okay, two nights in the tavern and a pipeful of wacky-baccy; one more before I throw you out? "I had therefore to remove knowledge, in order to make room for belief" ... somehow that doesn't surprise me one bit, you mind that door doesn't swing back and hit you on your arse as you leave... "Ingratitude is the essence of vileness." Oh, go home and annoy someone else.
Philosophy has never figured anything out and I honestly don't expect that it ever will, the process of looking for the answer is not the goal... that's like firing randomly at a wall, drawing targets around where the bullets didn't hit and feeling smug about it. "These aren't the droids you're looking for."
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