The Prog Mind

Dean wrote: Dayvenkirq wrote: Anyway, back to the brass tax TACKS.     It's Brass Tacks, not Brass Tax.

I was close.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - May 17 2013 at 12:58

I like strong lyrics and content but since it's the music that draws me in and keeps me interested first and foremost then if that's missing I really couldn't care less about the lyrics. In fact, for most of my favorite songs I don't even know more than 1 or 2 random lines regardless of whether their being sung or growled, rasped or spoken as I find delivery to be far more important.

Take Between the Buried and Me's Mordecai, it's a rather rough song being from their second album but the second half of the song is breathtaking for Tommy Rogers passionate delivery, and despite having the album for over 2 years I still haven't a clue what it is he sings, he just does it really well. 

The caveat to this is that obvious pointless nonsense stands out quite badly and is one reason why I don't like Yes.

Dean wrote: Dayvenkirq wrote: Dean wrote: Dayvenkirq wrote: That sounds more like politics than philosophy. Isn't philosophy supposed to expand our understanding of the world and its nature (besides science)? Sounds nothing like politics, though the philosophy of politics has some bearing considering that politics are based upon some philosophical idealism and are modified and corrupted by other philosophical idealisms and are enacted by people subscribing to some philosophical idealism. OK. What kind of damage has philosophy done to us (besides that on political grounds)? Where would you like to start? Religion,Idealism, Dogma, Politics, Economics,  War, Eugenics, Ethnic Cleansing and Racism?

I don't see how philosophy has to do with any of it. Many of the things you've mentioned are based on ill motivations, not on healthy ways thinking.

sleeper wrote: Dean wrote: Show me one case where we as a species has learnt from their mistakes. We are all arrogant. Empires still rise and fall, we still wage pointless wars, people still die of starvation. History has taught us nothing. I'd say it's taught, we've just refused to listen.

+1, though I'd say that we refuse to listen to a lot of things.

Monadology wrote: Either Dean's attitudes toward philosophy rest of some dogmatic set of values by which the consequences of philosophy are judged, or Dean's attitudes toward philosophy rest of some set of values which was derived from philosophical thinking about what is good and what are bad, by which the consequences of philosophy are judged. In the first case, I think it's safe to say that dogmatically held values have done far more harm than philosophy ever has. In the second case, Dean is sawing the branch supporting him. Either way, there's not much use debating with him.

Yeah, I get that argument a lot and it bounces off me like a bouncy thing hitting a hard thing. Lovers of Philosophy as an academic discipline do get a little prickly when someone dismisses their passion as a mere frippery.

^ Therefore, if not all of us, then some of us have to do something about ourselves. I bet that there are some people out there who act on philosophical principles for greater good. I don't know when, I don't know where, I just can't prove that there is absolutely no one doing that. Otherwise, we might just as well throw the whole damn thing overboard.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - May 17 2013 at 13:30

Dayvenkirq wrote: I don't see how philosophy has to do with any of it. Many of the things you've mentioned are based on ill motivations, not on healthy ways thinking.

dr wu23 wrote: Dayvenkirq wrote: Maybe we are being monitored by aliens who are waiting for the right time to invade Earth. Oh...now you did it..... Do you want Dean to philosophize ...er make a pronouncement on how there ain't no such things as space aliens.

Oh ffs. Hardy har har. I have never made such a claim. In fact I have said the exact opposite - the existence of "space aliens" is perfectly reasonable and quite probable.

Dean wrote: Dayvenkirq wrote: I don't see how philosophy has to do with any of it. Many of the things you've mentioned are based on ill motivations, not on healthy ways thinking. Philosophy is not "a healthy way of thinking" - though it is often used to justify a way of thinking into making it appear to be healthy.

That's a very pessimistic and unjustified (or maybe even nihilistic) way of thinking I have no much use for. Let's nuke the world.

Sounds good.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - May 17 2013 at 13:53