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    Posted: April 30 2013 at 15:52
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2013 at 15:56
Originally posted by The Mystical The Mystical wrote:

 
 
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2013 at 15:58
Progressing through different styles over the years - yes
Concept albums about space aliens - yes
Instrumental experiments with Brian Eno - yes
Silly voices - yes
Imagery, art, Robert Fripp guesting - yes
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2013 at 16:03
He's had some prog leanings over the years but definitely not 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2013 at 16:54
David Bowie is Art Rock.
End of the thread.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2013 at 16:59
No

Doesn't mean he's not good, though.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2013 at 17:00
Everyone who was Art Rock is now Prog, a simple name change
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2013 at 17:05
I was thinking "art pop". But not prog.

David Bowie is David Bowie.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2013 at 18:00
Originally posted by darqdean, in another thread, 3rd October 2007 darqdean, in another thread, 3rd October 2007 wrote:

For many Bowie typifies what has been descibed in the Progressive vs. Prog thread as a progressive artist who is not Prog. Almost everything he does is simultaneously eclectic and progressive - his albums generally arrive from the leftfield and land slap bang in the middle of the mainstream. And that's where the problem lies.
 
He produced some Prog songs, but maybe not whole Prog albums, he did Concept albums (albeit within fairly a standard rock format) and even ventured into the realm of Art Rock and Art School Rock. He has created fusions of every school of music you can care to imagine: minimalism, krautrock, jazz, soul, hip-hop, electronic, hard-rock, folk... and of course prog... (He is also pretty unique in suceeding in influencing some of the people he was influenced by - the only other artist to do that I can think of is Trent Reznor...) yet he remains a mainstream performer in the eyes of the world, even when producing non-mainstream albums.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2013 at 21:35
He was but not since Low and Heroes. Those are the only 2 albums I would consider prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2013 at 22:13
Of course he is. He's more "progressive" then half of the bands that get labelled as that. No, he doesn't have that classic 70's prog sound, Hammond organs, instrumental prowess, etc. But as artist and a visionary, he's extremely forward thinking. Low and Heroes are some of the greatest albums of all time, and what's great about them is that they haven't been able to alienate a certain audience or fan. They're pop albums, but with immense experimentation and creativity.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2013 at 02:56
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

For many Bowie typifies what has been descibed in the Progressive vs. Prog thread as a progressive artist who is not Prog

Quite this. Perhaps a critical factor is that he was not really an instrumentalist and it was not a 'band'. It was the music conceived by a singer-songwriter. Had he been a competent instrumentalist, or had he been just the composer and singer in a stable band with virtuoso musicians, his output might have been closer to proper Prog.
I find it not too different from the case of Peter Gabriel's solo output, progressive and with some Prog leanings but not archetypal proper Prog.


Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

 He produced some Prog songs, but maybe not whole Prog albums, he did Concept albums (albeit within fairly a standard rock format) and even ventured into the realm of Art Rock and Art School Rock. He has created fusions of every school of music you can care to imagine: minimalism, krautrock, jazz, soul, hip-hop, electronic, hard-rock, folk... and of course prog... (He is also pretty unique in suceeding in influencing some of the people he was influenced by - the only other artist to do that I can think of is Trent Reznor...) yet he remains a mainstream performer in the eyes of the world, even when producing non-mainstream albums.
The point is clear but this formulation seems to imply that anything "mainstream" can not be "Prog" by definition, which I do not agree as a matter of principle.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2013 at 03:04
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

For many Bowie typifies what has been descibed in the Progressive vs. Prog thread as a progressive artist who is not Prog

Quite this. Perhaps a critical factor is that he was not really an instrumentalist and it was not a 'band'. It was the music conceived by a singer-songwriter. Had he been a competent instrumentalist, or had he been just the composer and singer in a stable band with virtuoso musicians, his output might have been closer to proper Prog.
I find it not too different from the case of Peter Gabriel's solo output, progressive and with some Prog leanings but not archetypal proper Prog.


Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

 He produced some Prog songs, but maybe not whole Prog albums, he did Concept albums (albeit within fairly a standard rock format) and even ventured into the realm of Art Rock and Art School Rock. He has created fusions of every school of music you can care to imagine: minimalism, krautrock, jazz, soul, hip-hop, electronic, hard-rock, folk... and of course prog... (He is also pretty unique in suceeding in influencing some of the people he was influenced by - the only other artist to do that I can think of is Trent Reznor...) yet he remains a mainstream performer in the eyes of the world, even when producing non-mainstream albums.
The point is clear but this formulation seems to imply that anything "mainstream" can not be "Prog" by definition, which I do not agree as a matter of principle.
I tend to write whole sentences rather than well chosen phrases because they mean so much more thus negating any need for the reader to search for any implied meaning, subtext or hidden message burried between the lines.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2013 at 03:14
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2013 at 03:23
I consider "Heroes", "Low" and "Scary Monsters" prog. I also think that all of his 80s pop albums have strong prog influences.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2013 at 03:41
I'd say No in general, Yes occasionally. Yet most of his work can be called Art Rock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2013 at 03:43
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

 
I tend to write whole sentences rather than well chosen phrases because they mean so much more thus negating any need for the reader to search for any implied meaning, subtext or hidden message burried between the lines.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2013 at 03:15
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:


Perhaps a critical factor is that he was not really an instrumentalist and it was not a 'band'. It was the music conceived by a singer-songwriter. Had he been a competent instrumentalist, or had he been just the composer and singer in a stable band with virtuoso musicians, his output might have been closer to proper Prog.

To quote from Bowie's wikipage:
"Bowie plays many instruments, among them electric, acoustic, and twelve-string guitar; alto, tenor and baritone saxophone; keyboards including piano, synthesisers and Mellotron; harmonica, Stylophone, xylophone, vibraphone, koto, drums and percussion, and string instruments including viola and cello"
Not really an instrumentalist?

He was in several stable bands - The Spiders and Tin Machine among them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2013 at 20:43
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Absolutely not.

Sir, are you really sure about that? The word 'absolutely' would mean that Berlin trilogy is not prog too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2013 at 02:15
Originally posted by Stool Man Stool Man wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:


Perhaps a critical factor is that he was not really an instrumentalist and it was not a 'band'. It was the music conceived by a singer-songwriter. Had he been a competent instrumentalist, or had he been just the composer and singer in a stable band with virtuoso musicians, his output might have been closer to proper Prog.

To quote from Bowie's wikipage:
"Bowie plays many instruments, among them electric, acoustic, and twelve-string guitar; alto, tenor and baritone saxophone; keyboards including piano, synthesisers and Mellotron; harmonica, Stylophone, xylophone, vibraphone, koto, drums and percussion, and string instruments including viola and cello"
Not really an instrumentalist?

He was in several stable bands - The Spiders and Tin Machine among them.

Sure he could play several instruments, but I meant that he was never a fully dedicated and highly competent instrumentalist. His approach to songwriting was more akin to the singer-songwriter approach (many if not most singer-songwriters can play some instruments too).
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