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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2013 at 23:24
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

 The really hard part is that "popular" music did not "start" it's great integration into society and break apart the handles and controls of "music" by the upper class ... until right after WW2 when the LP was first starting ... 

Are you sure about that? I don't know the history of the LP, but I'm pretty sure people were pressing records before 1950 (e.g. Robert Johnson recorded his tracks in the mid-1930s), and that jazz swing was the dominant popular music. According to Wikipedia, phonograph cylinders were used from the 1880s till gramophone records replaced them in the 1920s. [1] What became Billboard Magazine was founded in Cincinnati on November 1, 1894, and in 1913 published sheet music best sellers charts & top songs in vaudeville theaters. When the jukebox industry developed in the 1930s, Billboard began publishing music charts of best sellers; initially there were only three genre-specific charts: Pop, Rhythm & Blues, and Country & Western. [2]



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2013 at 01:09
Originally posted by Stool Man Stool Man wrote:

These are some of the greatest artists of the pre-Rock & Roll era.  There were many more than this, of course, but which is your favourite of these?
 
I recognised at the start that I would be missing out many essential names, but I gave it a go and chose some acts over others.  For example I chose Caruso instead of Callas, as he was earlier and had the first ever million-selling hit song.
 
I bet none of us could choose 25 acts covering 1950-1999 and not leave out lots of important names.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2013 at 02:23
Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

 The really hard part is that "popular" music did not "start" it's great integration into society and break apart the handles and controls of "music" by the upper class ... until right after WW2 when the LP was first starting ... 

Are you sure about that? I don't know the history of the LP, but I'm pretty sure people were pressing records before 1950 (e.g. Robert Johnson recorded his tracks in the mid-1930s), and that jazz swing was the dominant popular music. According to Wikipedia, phonograph cylinders were used from the 1880s till gramophone records replaced them in the 1920s. [1] What became Billboard Magazine was founded in Cincinnati on November 1, 1894, and in 1913 published sheet music best sellers charts & top songs in vaudeville theaters. When the jukebox industry developed in the 1930s, Billboard began publishing music charts of best sellers; initially there were only three genre-specific charts: Pop, Rhythm & Blues, and Country & Western. [2]

If what Pedro says is true then you would also have to ask why the first Talking Picture was The Jazz Singer (1927)?
 
The Jazz Singer 1927 Poster.jpg
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2013 at 14:16
Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

 The really hard part is that "popular" music did not "start" it's great integration into society and break apart the handles and controls of "music" by the upper class ... until right after WW2 when the LP was first starting ... 

Are you sure about that? I don't know the history of the LP, but I'm pretty sure people were pressing records before 1950 (e.g. Robert Johnson recorded his tracks in the mid-1930s), and that jazz swing was the dominant popular music. According to Wikipedia, phonograph cylinders were used from the 1880s till gramophone records replaced them in the 1920s. [1] What became Billboard Magazine was founded in Cincinnati on November 1, 1894, and in 1913 published sheet music best sellers charts & top songs in vaudeville theaters. When the jukebox industry developed in the 1930s, Billboard began publishing music charts of best sellers; initially there were only three genre-specific charts: Pop, Rhythm & Blues, and Country & Western. [2]

 
Had my words ... incorrectly placed ... but the LP itself goes back to the turn of the century almost ... however, it was not a mass market thing, and they were very expensive.
 
The history of the LP really takes off after WW2 ... again, see the Tom Dowd DVD for the American version of it ... as he was one of the very early engineers of the making of LP's.  Tom has an interesting idea about why before the LP was not as viable as it became ... and the recording levels and the controls and everything else goes into it ... which you would expect from a recording engineer!
 
Film history is very clear that there was no direct/actual sound until the Jazz Singer (not actually true ... more later), because the celluloid at the time had no "sound strip" and most projectors and cameras had no facility to handle these. The "Jazz Singer" was one of the first to actually take a recording and "match" it to the film ... where you can see on occasion that the timing is not correct, but it was very well done and obviously painstakingly detailed to ensure that it did not come off bad! 
 
But in a generalized context, the amount of material you can get and learn from and understand and figure out how to place it in a historical context within those 49 years, it would show that the development was there, but it was still in a transitional and experimental stage. FILM, and specially Hollywood, is often given the credit for helping the LP develop further, to be able to make even more copies ... and they immediately made sure that their "stars" could sing, and immediately had albums available to the public ... and in essence this is the beginning of the history of the LP, because before that the number of copies made was too limited and its distribution was not possible and in some cases, downright difficult and mostly local ... the stuff by Robert Johnson and some of the other black folks, whose music survived, was being made but rarely gor very far beyond its locations and certainly got no help from record companies or other institutions by comparison -- Tom Dowd -- who also states that a lot of black music was killed when the studios brought out their stuff ... everyone started buying the other stuff and the black stuff ... disappeared in the media and in people's collections other than a handful!
 
And most of the stuff that survives, including Robert Johnson recordings, are of such sad and bad quality compared to other stuff at the time, that it has been thought that they were more representative of a period of American History, than they would be considered a part of American Music History ... most of which STILL ignores the relevancy of many of those folks! While we speak of the likes of Robert Johnson, according to Tom Dowd, the live jazz scene was far more important and inventive and was the scene that died badly ... and has the "least" history, only because Mr. Slowhand or Jack White mention Robert, so to speak, otherwise no one would know them or have heard of them!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2014 at 11:07
I was just browsing, and found this poll I did last year. I'm reviving it now just for those who missed it before and are interested.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2014 at 11:40
I'll go with Louis just over Duke
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2014 at 11:46

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2014 at 11:57
I'm sorry, but it is a scientific fact that the universe came into existence a little after midnight on July 8, 1969. Ergo, there was no music prior to this point.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2014 at 12:43
My personal favorites are something like this:

  1. Cab Calloway! 
  2. Lecuona Cuban Boys
  3. Zarah Leander 
  4. Duke Ellington
  5. Kouta Katsutaro
  6. Raymond Scott
  7. Eddie South
  8. Boswell Sisters
  9. Damia
10. Bix (Beiderbecke) 'n Bing (Crosby)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2014 at 14:24
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2014 at 16:02
From the list, Enrico Caruso.
             1900-1949 was the BEST period for classical music performances and recordings. Especially of note are the conductors who recorded symphonies, concertos and operas from that era. There are scores of them that I love and revere, too many to mention. Well, I'll mention my favorite interpretive artist from that era, conductor Arturo Toscanini. His recordings mean the world to me, and then some!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2014 at 16:38
The Duke.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2014 at 16:42
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The Duke.


John Wayne?   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2014 at 16:46
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

The Duke.


John Wayne?   


He could play a mean jew harp in his golden era.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2014 at 05:06
Its certain lack of Frank Sinatra in the list,
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2014 at 05:46
I don't have any of these in my collection but I'll go for the Duke. Big smile

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

The Duke.


John Wayne?   

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Edited by Slartibartfast - June 26 2014 at 05:50
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2014 at 06:54
Gershwin of those, but I'd rather go with Ravel and then maybe Copland.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2014 at 11:55
Robert Johnson without a doubt. One of the greatest blues legends, and had some great little licks. Such a strong legacy for so few songs too, but still deserves more attention from rock fans.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2014 at 19:59
Before there was Elvis there was nothing       Lennon
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2014 at 07:22
^ Elvis was nothing.

He only meant that in terms of their musical consciousness at the time of first getting into music and rock n' roll etc.
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