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Joined: September 26 2010
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Posted: April 09 2013 at 21:48
Read his Octopus review; some of his arguments sound like something Robert Christgau or Dave Marsh would have mentioned, particularly "Raconteur Troubadour", which echoes the latter's sentiments that Queen were fascists because of "We Will Rock You".
In Tubes' defense:
1. As much as I like "Dog's Life", dedicating it to their roadies was very tacky on their part.
2. "Minstrel In The Gallery" is lyrically better than "Raconteur Troubadour". In fact, Jethro Tull usually had better lyrics than Gentle Giant.
Edited by KingCrInuYasha - April 09 2013 at 21:54
He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
Joined: March 28 2013
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Posted: April 09 2013 at 22:57
@Dean, and for the umpteenth time: I do not abuse rating manipulation. My own listening experience is that Octopus is a crap album. Okay? Go to Amazon; there are at least a handful of reviews there from GENTLE GIANT FANS, discouraging consumers from purchasing Octopus because IT SUCKS.
I'll also have you know that I'll address you any which way I want, "full quoting capability" or not.
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Posted: April 09 2013 at 23:30
@Dayvenkirq, Showing me some dude's ass...wow, some of you people are more childish than I would have imagined. To address your point: I insulted him because he insulted me by making an uninformed presumption about how I research some of the crap releases this site holds in such high regard.
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Posted: April 09 2013 at 23:31
Tubes wrote:
@Dean, and for the umpteenth time: I do not abuse rating manipulation. My own listening experience is that Octopus is a crap album. Okay? Go to Amazon; there are at least a handful of reviews there from GENTLE GIANT FANS, discouraging consumers from purchasing Octopus because IT SUCKS.
...
Let's see... Amazon... Octopus (2011 edition) ...
There are 68 reviews. Of those:
5 star - 47 4 star - 14 3 star - 3 2 star - 2 1 star - 2
Of the four lowest ratings, three of them are mainly based on the poor quality of their copy, rather than the album itself.
By this point, I'm just throwing my hands up and refusing to take a side. If Tubes doesn't want to like Gentle Giant, that's his right. He doesn't have to like them if he doesn't want to. As for Tubes, I suggest you do a bit more research on analyzing the opinions of others regarding a work.
Edited by KingCrInuYasha - April 09 2013 at 23:33
He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
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Joined: October 31 2006
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Posted: April 09 2013 at 23:35
Tubes is saying that "this site holds in such high regard"...
982 persons including tubes have spent time reviewing or rating Octopus and more than half of them consider it a masterpiece. This is not a "site" thing.
You represent the (rounded up) 1%. Where do you take your unique wisdom from?
I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
Joined: March 28 2013
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Posted: April 09 2013 at 23:44
@octopus-4, Just to point something out here: Those are YOUR words describing my opinion, which for all intents and purposes IS FACT, as "UNIQUE WISDOM". Thank you much for the compliment!
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Posted: April 09 2013 at 23:48
Tubes wrote:
@Dayvenkirq, Showing me some dude's ass...wow, some of you people are more childish than I would have imagined. To address your point: I insulted him because he insulted me by making an uninformed presumption about how I research some of the crap releases this site holds in such high regard.
Thou might as well buyeth yourself some sense of humor.
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Posted: April 10 2013 at 00:42
Tubes wrote:
@DeanI'll also have you know that I'll address you any which way I want, "full quoting capability" or not.
No I don't think so, for instance if I were to call you a disturbed little weenie, it might cause some tension between you and I. But I don't think you'll be around much longer unless Admin decide to conduct an experiment in extreme tolerance.
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