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Dean 
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 Posted: April 04 2013 at 05:20 |
 Gerinski wrote:
I don't fancy Max Bacon's voice too much but comparisons with Europe??? I only remember their two hits The Final Countdown and Carrie but as far as I can tell they had nothing to do with GTR  |
Max Bacon isn't the most well known of voices but his singing on one or two tracks with Mike Oldfield and Phenomena is pretty good from what I've heard.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 04 2013 at 05:23 |
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I to have a bit of a problem with the vocal. And they are nothing like Europe.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: April 04 2013 at 07:04 |
Gerinski wrote:
When The Heart Rules The Mind is perhaps my least favourite song, I have always seen it as the Heat Of The Moment from Asia debut.
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It is like Heat Of The Moment, I agree. But I like that song too.
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octopus-4
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Posted: April 04 2013 at 09:30 |
About Europe, this is how I felt it. For me Europe were the clearer example of the pop-false-metal-longhair-stuff of the 80s. I could have mentioned bands like Motley Crue (not as poor as Europe imo). It's more a question of feeling than a technical thing.
Effectively what I feel similar is Max Bacon on "when the heart rules the mind" and "the final countdown". Also Europe had an excellent misused guitarist, btw.
I don't remember "Carrie". With Europe I stopped after the first song.
I want to underline again that the idea of this poll starts from the "Free Hand" review. I have thought to one of my reviews that could have been controversial, that's it. I have other 1 stars review: one is Camel's "The Single Factor" on which I've probably been too harsh, but I'm used to reserve 1 stars to big disappointments and it happens only with artists that I love. Another is Vangelis "See You Later", then I don't think i have reviewed other 1 stars albums.
In the specific, even though I can still listen to GTR (but I prefer spending my time with other things), I think is a completionist item and it fits into the 1 star description for the site. It doesn't mean that one can't enjoy non-prog things. Recently I have listened to Prince's "Sign of the Times" on TV and I've realized that it's not as bad as I was thinking when it was released. I have quite enjoyed it, but I wouldn't suggest it to a prog fan..
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Evolver
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Posted: April 04 2013 at 10:35 |
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Musician Magazine summed it up perfectly.
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Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
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octopus-4
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Posted: April 04 2013 at 11:30 |
Do you mean this?
JD's Review of the GTR Album:
"SHT"
I wouldn't be so offensive, but effectively it's hilarious, and also Rick Wakeman renamed "Onion" a YES album
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Evolver
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Posted: April 04 2013 at 11:37 |
octopus-4 wrote:
Do you mean this?
JD's Review of the GTR Album:
"SHT" |
Yes. Some say the review was "TTL SHT". Either way, very funny.
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Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
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Dean
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Posted: April 04 2013 at 13:20 |
Evolver wrote:
octopus-4 wrote:
Do you mean this?
JD's Review of the GTR Album:
"SHT"
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Yes. Some say the review was "TTL SHT". Either way, very funny. |
And just goes to show that with 500,000 copies sold you can gold-plate a trd.
Edited by Dean - April 04 2013 at 15:03
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Evolver
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Posted: April 04 2013 at 14:59 |
Dean wrote:
Evolver wrote:
octopus-4 wrote:
Do you mean this?
JD's Review of the GTR Album:
"SHT"
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Yes. Some say the review was "TTL SHT". Either way, very funny. |
And just gose to show that with 500,000 copies sold you can gold-plate a trd. |
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mohaveman
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Posted: April 04 2013 at 15:53 |
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2 stars
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And it's only the giving that makes you...what you are".
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octopus-4
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Posted: April 04 2013 at 23:29 |
I've found another nice review.
Wham! Ouch!
Off topics, I know...
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Jonathan
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Posted: April 11 2013 at 18:53 |
It's probably closer to Prog-Rock than Shakti ever was. 
At least GTR is a Rock Band.
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"Do not do to others as you don't want done to yourself."- Confucius
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Tapfret
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Posted: April 11 2013 at 22:57 |
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yep. The only half decent stuff on the album was a hideous 80's keyboard slathered rendition of a piece already released on Steve Hackett's Defector. Just garbage.
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twosteves
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Posted: August 23 2014 at 22:58 |
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I like the album instrumentally very much---but the singing and cold production are not very good.
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HackettFan
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Posted: August 24 2014 at 00:44 |
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^I felt the singing was repugnant too. It was an 80s type of vocal, almost seems like a caricature of the 80s vocal style now. I liked Hackett to Bits, though it was too short. I think Cured was a better pop oriented solo album from the 80s. His own vocals were even better. BTW, I was once among some of the fans greeting Steve Hackett after a small concert in the 90s. One of the other fans told him that the only thing he didn't like was GTR (which struck me as a bit rude). Steve said, "it sounded good in rehearsal." He didn't say anything else. I always found his comment somewhat curious.
Edited by HackettFan - August 24 2014 at 00:45
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Man With Hat
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Posted: August 24 2014 at 01:22 |
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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Intruder
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Posted: August 24 2014 at 10:27 |
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Anyone around at the time of the release of GTR knows how big it was.....or tried to be. MTV, FM radio and record shops pushed "When the Heart..." to be the next "Owner..." or "Heat of the Moment"....Top 20 single all over the radio over the summer of '86. But it all faded quickly - Howe wanted Top 20; Hackett wanted a guitar collective - a band that featured guitars over keyboards to explore, push, make cash, invent new sounds....Hackett stuff. A tour fizzled and GTR was only seen again in the cut out bins. There' s a King Biscuit live album out there - abrasive, rushed versions of songs done better on other albums. I had my old cassette copy out a few weeks back....glad it's there but probably won't see the light of day again.
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I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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twosteves
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Posted: August 24 2014 at 13:16 |
"It sounded good in rehearsal" lol---saw them twice in concert and to see my two guitar gods together was amazing even though it was obvious that they didn't love each other. Blame most of it on Howe--as Hackett seems to get along with lot's of musicians. Howe once said when asked why GTR didn't work? and he said something like, "well, we weren't friends" 
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HolyMoly
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Posted: August 24 2014 at 13:24 |
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I think it's possible for albums to be neither great nor terrible.
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It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased.
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Progmind
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Posted: August 24 2014 at 15:30 |
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2 stars for me
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