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The Mystical 
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 Topic: Lowest Rated Prog Albums?
Posted: March 08 2013 at 22:27 |
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Who thinks we should have a PA lowest rated albums list? I think that it would be a great idea!
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I am currently digging:
Hawkwind, Rare Bird, Gong, Tangerine Dream, Khan, Iron Butterfly, and all things canterbury and hard-psych. I also love jazz!
Please drop me a message with album suggestions.
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 08 2013 at 23:03 |
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it would be interesting if unpopular
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The Mystical
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 03:07 |
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^?
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I am currently digging:
Hawkwind, Rare Bird, Gong, Tangerine Dream, Khan, Iron Butterfly, and all things canterbury and hard-psych. I also love jazz!
Please drop me a message with album suggestions.
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Easy Livin
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 04:01 |
How would you identify such albums? For example, is an album with 2,000 two star ratings more unpopular that an album with 5 one star ratings? Is an album with lots of low ratings popular and unpopular at the same time?! 
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horza
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 04:31 |
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Why should we highlight failure. Do you think people go out of their way to produce cr*p?
Let's just point people in the direction of the great stuff out there.
My opinion.
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 04:37 |
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^Agreed.
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Eria Tarka
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 04:49 |
 Easy Livin wrote:
How would you identify such albums? For example, is an album with 2,000 two star ratings more unpopular that an album with 5 one star ratings? Is an album with lots of low ratings popular and unpopular at the same time?! |
I agree, a list like this would be difficult to calculate and almost impossible to do so accurately. Let's just stick with highlighting the best music, not the worst.
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The Mystical
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Posted: March 09 2013 at 16:43 |
All very good points. However I think that sometimes there is a beauty that can be found in "failures".
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I am currently digging:
Hawkwind, Rare Bird, Gong, Tangerine Dream, Khan, Iron Butterfly, and all things canterbury and hard-psych. I also love jazz!
Please drop me a message with album suggestions.
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 08:00 |
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I'd like to see that list. And those complaining about negativity: If such a list was made and you find an album there you really like. Write a review about it and help its reputation out!
Edited by irrelevant - March 10 2013 at 10:49
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Stool Man
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 10:44 |
horza wrote:
Why should we highlight failure. Do you think people go out of their way to produce cr*p?
Let's just point people in the direction of the great stuff out there.
My opinion. |
It might be a useful buyer's guide - which albums to avoid when you find a cheap copy in a sale, etc.
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rotten hound of the burnie crew
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horza
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 12:23 |
irrelevant wrote:
I'd like to see that list. And those complaining about negativity: If such a list was made and you find an album there you really like. Write a review about it and help its reputation out!
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I don't see anyone in this thread complaining
There are many bands in the 'Prog' Archives that I am amazed have made it onto the database. I tend to write reviews about albums that I like anyway, rather than choosing ones that I have listened to and hated. There are the oddexceptions obviously, and every now and then I feel the urge to point out those which I found disappointing. I'm a glass half-full kind of a guy I guess. 
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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irrelevant
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 12:35 |
horza wrote:
irrelevant wrote:
I'd like to see that list. And those complaining about negativity: If such a list was made and you find an album there you really like. Write a review about it and help its reputation out!
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I don't see anyone in this thread complaining
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Ok disagreeing is probably a better word. But similar thread topics have been brought up before, and the issue many people have with the idea of a bottom list on this site is that it's too negative.
Edited by irrelevant - March 10 2013 at 12:50
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Dean
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 12:51 |
Terrible idea.
And I'll tell you why.
The world is full of idiots.
Those idiots will take as much great pleasure in forcing an album into the lowest rated chart as they do hyping albums into the highest rated.
I see nothing but bad coming from this.
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What?
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 13:11 |
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As much as I support the fun factor of such a thing, I do think Dean makes a good point here. Never underestimate the tw*t factor people!
If it was made possible, I figure we'd be needing even more admins to go battle these folks.
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The Mystical
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 19:11 |
Dean wrote:
Terrible idea.
And I'll tell you why.
The world is full of idiots.
Those idiots will take as much great pleasure in forcing an album into the lowest rated chart as they do hyping albums into the highest rated.
I see nothing but bad coming from this. |
That is actually very true. The more I think about it, the worse the idea becomes. Thank you for all the feedback guys!
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I am currently digging:
Hawkwind, Rare Bird, Gong, Tangerine Dream, Khan, Iron Butterfly, and all things canterbury and hard-psych. I also love jazz!
Please drop me a message with album suggestions.
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wilmon91
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Posted: March 17 2013 at 19:47 |
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One problem with the page were you can use filter settings to get lists of prog albums is that it is all about "Top lists", and it's all about ratings.You shoud be able to get results in alphabetical order, and sorting on ratings should be optional. That would be more serious. PA puts too much emphasis on ratings.
A list of lowest ratings would be useful as a workaround to the fact that those albums couldn't appear in any other filter setting.
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Dean
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Posted: March 17 2013 at 19:53 |
wilmon91 wrote:
One problem with the page were you can use filter settings to get lists of prog albums is that it is all about "Top lists", and it's all about ratings.You shoud be able to get results in alphabetical order, and sorting on ratings should be optional. That would be more serious. PA puts too much emphasis on ratings.
A list of lowest ratings would be useful as a workaround to the fact that those albums couldn't appear in any other filter setting.
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 How do you collate a top list without using the ratings? When there are 39,517 albums listed here how do you order the "results" in any other way than by ratings? What use is knowing the first 100 alphabetical albums? (would Aardvark's eponymous album be No. 1 or would it be ( ) by Sigur Rós?)
The only emphasis on ratings is made by the people who put too much emphasis on the charts in the first place.
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wilmon91
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Posted: March 17 2013 at 20:53 |
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I think the search feature , or "Top Prog Rock Music Albums List" as it is called can be useful for exploring and finding albums and artists, but not necessarily with the intention of finding the top rated albums. I would call this feature something like "explore" or "search", rather than "top albums" but the only way to get to this page is by following the link "PA Top Prog Albums" or any similar link.
And the results are limited to 250, which leaves out the lower rated or non-rated albums.
You can browse artists from A-Z which is good , but I'm not asking to be able to browse the entire catalogue of albums in a similar way. But when using filter settings to get albums corresponding to that setting, you don't necessarily want only the highest rated albums, you want all of them.
Regarding how to sort the results, it would be nice to be able to sort on album name, or by artist, or by country. Or by rating.
Just my opinion..
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