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Jonathan
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Posted: February 26 2013 at 06:23 |
What are those lyrics about exactly? Are they about something taboo or I am misunderstanding the lyrics?
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Posted: February 26 2013 at 06:32 |
^ I don't know the song so hard for me to tell. Will check it out though.
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Posted: March 01 2013 at 16:09 |
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Censorship is a cancer to art. i say bring on the offense, and make me feel something, and make me think about something. The fact that you're so offended simply means that Wilson and Waters did there jobs as genuine artists.
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Posted: March 01 2013 at 17:05 |
ArturdeLara wrote:
Billy Pilgrim wrote:
Censorship is a cancer to art. i say bring on the offense, and make me feel something, and make me think about something. The fact that you're so offended simply means that Wilson and Waters did there jobs as genuine artists.
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Dean
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Posted: March 01 2013 at 18:13 |
Jonathan wrote:
What are those lyrics about exactly? Are they about something taboo or I am misunderstanding the lyrics? |
How can you be offended by something you're not sure you even understand? The meaning of the lyrics is pretty straight forward to anyone who speaks British English, I would "translate" them but I'm going to take a wild guess and say you probably still would not get why they cannot be offensive.
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Jonathan
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Posted: March 02 2013 at 01:53 |
Dean wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
What are those lyrics about exactly? Are they about something taboo or I am misunderstanding the lyrics? |
How can you be offended by something you're not sure you even understand? The meaning of the lyrics is pretty straight forward to anyone who speaks British English, I would "translate" them but I'm going to take a wild guess and say you probably still would not get why they cannot be offensive.
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If you "Translate" them I might understand what those lyrics mean. If it wasn't actually about anything offensive then I wouldn't be offended by it anymore.
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Posted: March 02 2013 at 03:55 |
I don't know about Dean, but I don't mind that you are offended.
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Posted: March 02 2013 at 05:24 |
Jonathan wrote:
Dean wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
What are those lyrics about exactly? Are they about something taboo or I am misunderstanding the lyrics? |
How can you be offended by something you're not sure you even understand? The meaning of the lyrics is pretty straight forward to anyone who speaks British English, I would "translate" them but I'm going to take a wild guess and say you probably still would not get why they cannot be offensive.
| If you "Translate" them I might understand what those lyrics mean. If it wasn't actually about anything offensive then I wouldn't be offended by it anymore. |
This.
The subject matter can be about something offensive without you being offended by it. The Who's "Fiddle About" is about a paedophile and is sung in the first person singular, an offensive subject but no one should be offended by it. Entwistle sings the song but he is not condoning paedophilia nor is he associating himself with the character of Uncle Ernie.
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Posted: March 02 2013 at 05:37 |
Dean wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
Dean wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
What are those lyrics about exactly? Are they about something taboo or I am misunderstanding the lyrics? |
How can you be offended by something you're not sure you even understand? The meaning of the lyrics is pretty straight forward to anyone who speaks British English, I would "translate" them but I'm going to take a wild guess and say you probably still would not get why they cannot be offensive.
| If you "Translate" them I might understand what those lyrics mean. If it wasn't actually about anything offensive then I wouldn't be offended by it anymore. |
This.
The subject matter can be about something offensive without you being offended by it. The Who's "Fiddle About" is about a paedophile and is sung in the first person singular, an offensive subject but no one should be offended by it. Entwistle sings the song but he is not condoning paedophilia nor is he associating himself with the character of Uncle Ernie. |
Down with the bedclothes Up with the night shirt....
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Posted: March 02 2013 at 05:42 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Dean wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
Dean wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
What are those lyrics about exactly? Are they about something taboo or I am misunderstanding the lyrics? |
How can you be offended by something you're not sure you even understand? The meaning of the lyrics is pretty straight forward to anyone who speaks British English, I would "translate" them but I'm going to take a wild guess and say you probably still would not get why they cannot be offensive.
| If you "Translate" them I might understand what those lyrics mean. If it wasn't actually about anything offensive then I wouldn't be offended by it anymore. |
This.
The subject matter can be about something offensive without you being offended by it. The Who's "Fiddle About" is about a paedophile and is sung in the first person singular, an offensive subject but no one should be offended by it. Entwistle sings the song but he is not condoning paedophilia nor is he associating himself with the character of Uncle Ernie. |
Down with the bedclothes Up with the night shirt.... |
But you have to admit that song is quite funny
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Posted: March 02 2013 at 05:50 |
ArturdeLara wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Dean wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
Dean wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
What are those lyrics about exactly? Are they about something taboo or I am misunderstanding the lyrics? |
How can you be offended by something you're not sure you even understand? The meaning of the lyrics is pretty straight forward to anyone who speaks British English, I would "translate" them but I'm going to take a wild guess and say you probably still would not get why they cannot be offensive.
| If you "Translate" them I might understand what those lyrics mean. If it wasn't actually about anything offensive then I wouldn't be offended by it anymore. |
This.
The subject matter can be about something offensive without you being offended by it. The Who's "Fiddle About" is about a paedophile and is sung in the first person singular, an offensive subject but no one should be offended by it. Entwistle sings the song but he is not condoning paedophilia nor is he associating himself with the character of Uncle Ernie. |
Down with the bedclothes Up with the night shirt.... |
But you have to admit that song is quite funny |
Oh definitely...
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Posted: March 02 2013 at 06:09 |
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I don't know about Dean, but I don't mind that you are offended. |
I mind that people take offense too easily and too readily. There are many things in this world that are truely offensive and people should be offended by them, being offended should be reserved for those truely offensive things so they are not trivialised. And being offended by Mackie getting his jollies with a pair of Marigold gloves is trivialising those really offensive subjects.
Conversely I don't hold with "freedom's a peach" banner that you have no right not to be offended - there are many things you have no right not to be offended by, and there are things that you have the right not to be offended by, and there are things that you have no right to be offended by and there are things that you have the right to be offended by.
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Posted: March 02 2013 at 06:13 |
Dean wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I don't know about Dean, but I don't mind that you are offended. |
I mind that people take offense too easily and too readily. There are many things in this world that are truely offensive and people should be offended by them, being offended should be reserved for those truely offensive things so they are not trivialised. And being offended by Mackie getting his jollies with a pair of Marigold gloves is trivialising those really offensive subjects.
Conversely I don't hold with "freedom's a peach" banner that you have no right not to be offended - there are many things you have no right not to be offended by, and there are things that you have the right not to be offended by, and there are things that you have no right to be offended by and there are things that you have the right to be offended by. |
I can't get my head around the latter part to answer you.
I agree with the first bit though and what I mean't was I don't care that he is offended as he seems offended so easily.
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Posted: March 02 2013 at 06:29 |
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I can't get my head around the latter part to answer you. |
It's just playing with the syntax (logic) of the original slogan to show that it is a false generalisation.
You have to understand the meaning of something to be offended by it - If I said your comment comes from ignorance I have not called you ignorant nor have I called you an ignoramus. People who are easily offended seem to be offended by the words that make up a comment rather than the meaning of the comment itself.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 02 2013 at 06:31 |
Dean wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I can't get my head around the latter part to answer you. |
It's just playing with the syntax (logic) of the original slogan to show that it is a false generalisation.
You have to understand the meaning of something to be offended by it - If I said your comment comes from ignorance I have not called you ignorant nor have I called you an ignoramus. People who are easily offended seem to be offended by the words that make up a comment rather than the meaning of the comment itself. |
Agreed. I have seen that so often.
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Posted: March 02 2013 at 06:57 |
For me, Zappa, but now I like it Then Peart, because I think he's a bad and mildly right-wing lyricist, he has one on the atomic bomb that deeply offends me Peter Gabriel sometimes I think he is pulling things out of his a$, not when its impassioned, but stuff like the fountain of salamacis, etc. I can never tell if he's an intellect or a simpleton, he seems to be in a mixed state.
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Jonathan
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Posted: March 02 2013 at 07:00 |
RoyFairbank wrote:
For me, Zappa, but now I like it Then Peart, because I think he's a bad and mildly right-wing lyricist, he has one on the atomic bomb that deeply offends me Peter Gabriel sometimes I think he is pulling things out of his a$, not when its impassioned, but stuff like the fountain of salamacis, etc. I can never tell if he's an intellect or a simpleton, he seems to be in a mixed state.
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Which song is that?
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Posted: March 02 2013 at 07:05 |
^probably Manhatten project but I am not sure
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Jonathan
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Posted: March 02 2013 at 07:15 |
Yep, "It's Mahattan Project". But I'm not offended by the lyrics though since I don't think Neil was trying to condone anything bad. But I respect people that are offended by the song though.
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Posted: March 02 2013 at 07:16 |
Jonathan wrote:
Yep, "It's Mahattan Project". But I'm not offended by the lyrics though since I don't think Neil was trying to condone anything bad. But I respect people that are offended by the song though. |
I don't.
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