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TODDLER ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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darkshade ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 19 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 10964 |
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I got Shut Up 'N Play Yer Guitar the other day, must have been 6-7 years since I've last heard it. New remaster sounds good, I think I prefer listening to it in it's individual albums, even though the second one is partially on both discs.
I also got The Yellow Shark in the mail today. Haven't listened to it yet, but the packaging is really nice, and comes with a 53 page booklet filled with info, stories, and pictures. Never owned the older CD versions, so I don't know this is the same as those (with the book and all). My shelf filled with the FZ 2012 reissues is starting to look really good with all the numbered spines. |
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TODDLER ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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Have you seen many German movies? Do you like to go to the movies?
![]() LET ME SEE YOUR PAPERS! ![]() Why do you have to yell so much? ![]() I DON'T YELL! ![]() Were just trying to get into the country. ![]() THIS IS MY COUNTRY! NOT YOUR COUNTRY! I'VE BEEN STANDING HERE DOING THIS FOR MANY YEARS AND YOU'RE MAKING ME VERY ANGRY! ![]() Edited by TODDLER - February 27 2013 at 08:35 |
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TODDLER ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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Imaginary Diseases was my introduction to Jim Gordon playing in a more serious vain. Most in demand studio drummer of the 60's and 70's recording with the Monkees , Clapton, George Harrison (All Things Must Pass) and really an extremely long list of sessions. Strange to think that you couldn't have the radio on for more than 15 minutes without hearing his drumming. Wazoo is on the way and I'm excited to hear it.
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HolyMoly ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: April 01 2009 Location: Atlanta Status: Offline Points: 26138 |
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Well, he does play with a lot of bile.
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Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
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HarbouringTheSoul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: May 21 2010 Status: Offline Points: 1199 |
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It's a bit of a pointless album, but I can hardly fault it when the liver performances are that good. |
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darkshade ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 19 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 10964 |
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Sorry to confuse.
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HolyMoly ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: April 01 2009 Location: Atlanta Status: Offline Points: 26138 |
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Speaking of "Ocean", I really like the midtempo opening section that's on Sleep Dirt but was omitted from the Lather version. The long fast section is the clear "meat" of the piece, but to me the song doesn't feel right without that first section.
There's one archival release that I'd forgotten about until now - I think it's called FZ Plays FZ and I think DZ compiled it from several versions of Zoot Allures, including the legendary '76 live version from which "Ship Ahoy" was taken. What do you all think of that album? Is it even still available? I only have a CDR copy. Edited by HolyMoly - February 25 2013 at 17:54 |
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HolyMoly ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: April 01 2009 Location: Atlanta Status: Offline Points: 26138 |
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^ he meant that "Sleep Dirt" isn't on Lather. I was thrown by his statement at first too.
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TODDLER ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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What? The Ocean Is the Ultimate Solution is listed on my copy of Lather. It has a cow on the cover. Is that a misprint?
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darkshade ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 19 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 10964 |
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The Ocean Is The Ultimate Solution. It's not on Lather, but Sleep Dirt the song has a great guitar solo too. But speaking of Lather, I've always enjoyed the guitar solo in Down In The Dew. He uses that electric-acoustic sound that's on a lot of the 70s albums, particularly famous for being the sound used on his guitar for the solo in Blessed Relief. |
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TODDLER ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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Ahead of Their Time was a very strange performance/show. I wonder if Zappa influenced The Residents?
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TODDLER ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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That's truly interesting and I agree about the '84 band ...like his playing on Whipping Post. There are magnificent solos on the '88 tour tapes ..very true! I loved his solo on "Thirteen" from Y.C.D.T.O.S.A. VOL.6 . Was that the '88 band? I can't recall? One of my favorite Zappa solos comes from LATHER. How ignorant of me not to remember the title..but it has something to do with the ocean. Wow! that is a very beautiful high energy solo in top form!
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darkshade ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 19 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 10964 |
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As a self-taught guitarist myself, like Frank, I understand what it's like to be a little rough around the edges. It's just how it is sometimes.
What's funny is I don't think Frank practiced the guitar much before rehearsals for the '88 tour, yet the albums that came from that tour feature some of his best solos. The '84 band is the only time I feel like Zappa's solos were lacking (and maybe early-Mothers albums because he was still improving). |
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TODDLER ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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Thanks for the tip. Barfkoswill had 3 copies left and I ordered 1 just in time. Last week they had 9 copies. Maybe vultures are paying the eco price at Barfkoswill and placing them on Amazon for double...actually more than double because for a sealed copy it runs about $75.00.
I like Trans-Fusion, Imaginary Diseases, Buffalo, and Civilization Phase III of his posthumous releases. I like those the best..however I have yet to hear WAZOO which is a concert tour from 72' featuring Jim Gordon on drums. WAZOO receives great reviews and I'm sure it's a worthy Zappa effort. He played some amazing guitar solos studio/live. Other times he sounded like he was sick or had not practiced. It could have been the pull of domestic life or it could have been the time he put into composing that took away from his practice time on guitar. It is next to impossible to say why he sounded a little rough around the edges on certain nights. The way Zappa composed...I honestly can't see anyone having time for the guitar. A another observation is when a musician/composer is composing on guitar...it sometimes has little to do with practicing the instrument itself. I've been listening to him for 42 years , never bought his book, and have remained very curious about him as an artist. I should buy the book...that may be the answer.
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darkshade ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 19 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 10964 |
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Another update:
Ahead Of Their Time - Sounds a little better than the old Ryko version, but to be honest, I may have only heard it once before in the past, so I'm not entirely sure. Either way, this album sounds great. Mothermania - This is an essential buy for any Zappa album. It's a compilation album made by Frank himself of some early Mothers songs, but most of them are of different mixes, so everything is different. It's never been available on CD until now, so it's another reason to pick it up. Mystery Disc - Never really listened to this one before, but others have said that it sounds as good as the Ryko version. However, the artwork, in my opinion, is much much better than the ugly cover for the old CD version. |
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darkshade ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 19 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 10964 |
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Here's the next batch:
We're Only In It For The Money - This one has the restored original (and better) artwork with the Sgt. Peppers parody. I read somewhere that some dialogue was cut out of the reissue, but having listened to it myself, it sounds just like the Ryko CD, which is still the slightly censored version, and not the original vinyl mix. The completely uncensored version is on Lumpy Money. I want to mention that it's a little ridiculous these UMe reissues of Freak Out!, WOIIFTM, and Uncle Meat are not the original vinyl mixes like the other reissues. I understand the ZFT wants to continue to selling MOFO and Lumpy Money, but seriously, only completists and Zappa-fanatics are going to get them, and besides, those box sets include other rarities and goodies, so they're still worth getting. Uncle Meat doesn't even have a box set for itself, so why wasn't that one the vinyl mix??? Anyway... Does Humor Belong In Music? - Sounds pretty good to me. However, there is a big screw up with this album. The track-listing on the back is completely wrong, the last 4 tracks are in the wrong order. Unfortunately, the track index for those songs are also wrong, so if you listen on a CD player that shows the song title, it will be wrong. Luckily when I ripped this to iTunes, it showed the correct song titles, so it didn't really affect me personally. Ahead Of Their Time - ***update coming soon*** You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 3 - Sounds like the older CD versions. Sounds a little louder. You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 4 - Sounds like the older CD versions. Sounds a little louder. You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 5 - Sounds like the older CD versions. Sounds a little louder. You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 6 - Sounds like the older CD versions. Sounds a little louder. With each volume consisting of so much music, it may take time to note any differences between these reissues and older CDs, if there are any. The Lost Episodes - Sounds like the older CD versions. Sounds a little louder. I imagine since this and the YCDTOSA albums were created and came out in the late 80s/early 90s, there wouldn't be much need to remaster them, I don't even think they saw a vinyl release, and just came out on CDs originally. *** I'm going to update this post later to include Ahead of Their Time, which I still haven't had a chance to listen to yet. |
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You can buy Buffalo here - http://barfkoswill.shop.musictoday.com/Product.aspx?cp=971_8837&pc=ZPCD79
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