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progbethyname 
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 Posted: October 27 2012 at 10:43 |
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I gotta check out this Karm evil 9 track.
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Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣
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The Bearded Bard
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 10:44 |
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^You should! It's great!
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octopus-4
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 10:48 |
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The live version is even better
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Dean
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 10:57 |
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Guaranteed to blow your head apart
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What?
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progbethyname
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 11:26 |
 with open arms I will embrace this track. I will let you all know how I feel about it soon. Gotta take the time to drink it all in. ;)
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Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣
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TheLionOfPrague
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Posted: October 29 2012 at 07:38 |
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It surprises me too how bad ELP ratings are compared to the other prog giants like Genesis, Yes, Floyd, Jethro, etc....
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I shook my head and smiled a whisper knowing all about the place
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Argonaught
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Posted: October 29 2012 at 08:42 |
 TheLionOfPrague wrote:
It surprises me too how bad ELP ratings are compared to the other prog giants like Genesis, Yes, Floyd, Jethro, etc.... |
That's, probably, because they are much less of giants. For one thing, ELP - even at the peak of their glory - were never quite a match for the intellectual breadth and diversity of KC, Yes, Tull or PF.
Their contribution to the musical heritage of the 70's is visible, but I can't recall them changing the history of rock music in a permanent way. Then, if we look upon the meanings of the word "progressive" as a guidance, you'd expect a prog musician to evolve. For better or worse, KC, PF and Yes kept re-inventing themselves for decades after their debut in the 60's. ELP didn't. They had completely fizzled out by 1977 or thereabouts, I think.
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Neelus
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Posted: October 29 2012 at 14:27 |
Dean wrote:
Guaranteed to blow your head apart |
I think I peed myself a little...
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richardh
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Posted: October 29 2012 at 15:07 |
Argonaught wrote:
TheLionOfPrague wrote:
It surprises me too how bad ELP ratings are compared to the other prog giants like Genesis, Yes, Floyd, Jethro, etc.... |
That's, probably, because they are much less of giants.
For one thing, ELP - even at the peak of their glory - were never quite a match for the intellectual breadth and diversity of KC, Yes, Tull or PF.
Their contribution to the musical heritage of the 70's is visible, but I can't recall them changing the history of rock music in a permanent way.
Then, if we look upon the meanings of the word "progressive" as a guidance, you'd expect a prog musician to evolve. For better or worse, KC, PF and Yes kept re-inventing themselves for decades after their debut in the 60's. ELP didn't. They had completely fizzled out by 1977 or thereabouts, I think.
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'Reinventing themselves' as either going commercial or adopting a self conscious minimal style to appease the punk loving music journos I guess.
ELP were just three guys but they were as important in that 1970 -1973 period as any as far as rock music or prog rock was concerned. Its a shame though they are treated with so little respect and so much contempt in general. But hey ho thats life n all that. They weren't perfect but they were influential and still discussed to death!
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HarbouringTheSoul
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Posted: October 29 2012 at 16:36 |
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I assume the reason their ratings aren't as high is because their albums were usually considered rather inconsistent and patchy. Unlike other prog groups, they didn't really have a 'unified vision'. They were just three guys trying to find common ground and often going in different directions. And apparently few people appreciate all of these directions.
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progbethyname
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Posted: October 29 2012 at 18:22 |
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Ok so Karn evil 9. Not bad. It will take a little more time to grow on me. I will say that the keyboardist, Emerson is freakin incredible. I like his playing the most in the song and that is what stands out for me right now. ;). Doesn't quite blow my head off yet because I'm really into a completely different sound right now, but it'll get there. :)
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Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣
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Dean
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Posted: October 29 2012 at 18:36 |
progbethyname wrote:
Ok so Karn evil 9. Not bad. It will take a little more time to grow on me. I will say that the keyboardist, Emerson is freakin incredible. I like his playing the most in the song and that is what stands out for me right now. ;). Doesn't quite blow my head off yet because I'm really into a completely different sound right now, but it'll get there. :) |
I wasn't expecting it to blow your head off. It's part of the lyric:
Come inside, the show's about to start
Guaranteed to blow your head apart
Rest assured you'll get your money's worth
The greatest show in Heaven, Hell or Earth.
You've got to see the show, it's a dynamo.
You've got to see the show, it's rock and roll ....
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Dellinger
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Posted: October 29 2012 at 19:29 |
HarbouringTheSoul wrote:
I assume the reason their ratings aren't as high is because their albums were usually considered rather inconsistent and patchy. Unlike other prog groups, they didn't really have a 'unified vision'. They were just three guys trying to find common ground and often going in different directions. And apparently few people appreciate all of these directions.
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Exactly what I think. They have many songs that are among my favourite prog songs, but no album I love from start to end.
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progbethyname
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Posted: October 29 2012 at 20:57 |
Dean wrote:
progbethyname wrote:
Ok so Karn evil 9. Not bad. It will take a little more time to grow on me. I will say that the keyboardist, Emerson is freakin incredible. I like his playing the most in the song and that is what stands out for me right now. ;). Doesn't quite blow my head off yet because I'm really into a completely different sound right now, but it'll get there. :) |
I wasn't expecting it to blow your head off. It's part of the lyric:
Come inside, the show's about to startGuaranteed to blow your head apartRest assured you'll get your money's worthThe greatest show in Heaven, Hell or Earth.You've got to see the show, it's a dynamo.You've got to see the show, it's rock and roll ....
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Thank you Deans medal. Your always at the top of your class. 
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Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣
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richardh
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Posted: October 30 2012 at 14:42 |
HarbouringTheSoul wrote:
I assume the reason their ratings aren't as high is because their albums were usually considered rather inconsistent and patchy. Unlike other prog groups, they didn't really have a 'unified vision'. They were just three guys trying to find common ground and often going in different directions. And apparently few people appreciate all of these directions. |
fair comment
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Ytse_Jam
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Posted: October 30 2012 at 15:00 |
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I'm pretty sure Emerson influenced a lot in what concerns prog keyboard playing, by the way..
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Big Ears
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Posted: January 14 2013 at 06:33 |
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It confuses and saddens me to read comments sl*g.ing off ELP on a progressive rock site. After all, I do not criticise indie/ emo/ goth music on their sites.
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Dean
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Posted: January 14 2013 at 08:10 |
Big Ears wrote:
It confuses and saddens me to read comments sl*g.ing off ELP on a progressive rock site. After all, I do not criticise indie/ emo/ goth music on their sites.
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If independently emotional Goths came here and criticised ELP then I'd find some logic in what you say, but they don't. Of course you don't have to be an independent emotive Goth to criticise Red Lorry Yellow Lorry or The Marcfh Violets, nor would it be considered a sin to do so. The perpencity for fans within a genre to criticise one of their own bands is not unusual nor is it saddening, it is healthier than glibly accepting everything an artist does is perfect or every artist is beyond reproach, or worse still that no dissent is ever permitted so that aslong as one person likes something then no one is allowed to speak out against it.
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What?
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Big Ears
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Posted: January 14 2013 at 08:56 |
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There is a difference between criticism and the derogatory comments in this thread in the same way as there is between respect and 'glibly accepting everything an artist does is perfect or every artist is beyond reproach'.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 14 2013 at 09:03 |
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..and ELP gets more stick than most of the classic prog bands.
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