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HolyMoly ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: April 01 2009 Location: Atlanta Status: Offline Points: 26138 |
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Dayvenkirq ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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Well, he first claimed that there's nothing accessible in prog and when Sumdeus said Floyd, Rush, JT get played on the radio he said that has nothing to do with accessibility. Maybe, but the point is they are accessible. If ABITW is not accessible, I don't really know what is. Sounds like denying a statement just to maintain position in an argument.
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crimhead ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: October 10 2006 Location: Missouri Status: Offline Points: 19236 |
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Genesis on this one.
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Progosopher ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 12 2009 Location: Coolwood Status: Offline Points: 6472 |
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Wow, this one really got out of hand. And now for something completely different:
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2. Nursery Cryme
3. Lizard
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The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty"
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ProgMetaller2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 08 2012 Location: Pacoima,CA,USA Status: Offline Points: 3150 |
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Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - January 01 2013 at 05:04 |
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ProgMetaller2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 08 2012 Location: Pacoima,CA,USA Status: Offline Points: 3150 |
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I'm not denying anything all I said was who cares if something is played on the radio
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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You did deny, mister. You denied that prog can be accessible. It seems you wanted to say Book of Saturday is accessible but seem to have edited it out. Whatever....make up your mind what you want to say. I repeat, this is just a discussion group, not a battleground for keyboard warriors. |
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ProgMetaller2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 08 2012 Location: Pacoima,CA,USA Status: Offline Points: 3150 |
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I had a brain fart I didn't know who to talk to when I replied to what you had to say,thanks for actually backing me up.I'm a moron sometimes
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ProgMetaller2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 08 2012 Location: Pacoima,CA,USA Status: Offline Points: 3150 |
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As far as I'm concerned you never really need to use a Mellotron or Sax to be Prog. If one is Jazzy that's enough. Traffic is prog. Eclectic prog according to this site by your logic The Crims isn't prog?
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twosteves ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 01 2007 Location: NYC/Rhinebeck Status: Offline Points: 4095 |
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Low Sparks used some electronic device on the sax which made a big synth like sound---think Traffic was a precursor to prog---like other 60's groups--whatever that category is---
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Dayvenkirq ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
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If you really think that for a band to be proggy they must have jazz elements, then you are wrong. Ever heard of Popol Vuh? They could do without jazz. As Mr. twosteves has just pointed out, there were a number of proggy bands that predated prog. Really prog took time to take a shape, though last time I checked In the Court was the first album ever to feature an elaborate mix of classical, jazz, and psychedelia with a dash of experimental music, as well as an interesting instrumentation featuring Mellotron, saxophone, and flute. Traffic were a jazz-rock band, at least. This style had a name - "jazz rock". And it was jazz rock at best. People didn't know at the time what prog was. When In the Court came up, they didn't know name this style had. They came up with one - "progressive rock".
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Dayvenkirq ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
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^ Yes, I do. I'm a human. Last time I checked I was allowed a little room for a mistake. Still, I think they could fit into proto-prog.
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[QUOTE=Dayvenkirq]^ Yes, I do. I'm a human. Last time I checked I was allowed a little room for a mistake.[/QUOTE
Exactly we all make mistakes and no band is perfect. Now you get it
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ten years after ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: September 07 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1008 |
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Saucerful of Secrets and Ars Longa Vita Brevis are two examples of genuine progressive rock albums that preceded ITCOTCK. The term "progressive rock" was not invented as a result of KC.
Despite you not being able to remember it , Traffic were one of the pioneers of the mellotron in 1967 and it would be a big surprise to Chris Wood to hear that they didn't use saxophones.
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Dayvenkirq ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
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@ ten years after: Why do you think a lot of people hail ITCOTCK as the seminal prog record?
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It's just simply impossible to pinpoint one specific record that started any movement as big as progressive rock. There was so much musical evolution happening at such a fast rate and in so many places.. I think there was just a lot of energy at that time and everyone was kind of searching for a similar thing so they were able to improve upon each other really quickly. I mean 1967 saw the release of Sgt. Pepper, Piper At The Gates Of Dawn, and Are You Experienced? which I've always seen as the foundation of the psychedelic rock genre and after that it grew so much, quickly molding into what would become the prog sound.
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Sumdeus - surreal space/psych/prog journeys
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ProgMetaller2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 08 2012 Location: Pacoima,CA,USA Status: Offline Points: 3150 |
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remember writing Fripp is god, your irrationalities, what to do with you, you don't get it
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