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moshkito
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 17511 |
Topic: Turntable Posted: April 07 2013 at 16:18 |
Hi,
I bought the Stanton T92 turntable for $299 about 6 months ago ... and will be picking up a cartridge on the high end from them for that turntable. It's good ... no issues there. I've had a Stanton Cartridge on my previous turntable (Pioneer that lasted 25 years! and 3 belts) ... that lasted as long as the turntable. That cartrige when I bought it in 1980 was about $275 dollars, and it is still that expensive. And man ... that thing could make Klaus Schulze and Tangerine Dream do cartwheels in your ears ... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ... never mind rock music!
Edited by moshkito - April 07 2013 at 16:20 |
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Pawned Heart
Forum Newbie Joined: August 15 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 30 |
Posted: January 15 2013 at 03:03 |
I have this one -
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-PS-LX250H-Automatic-Belt-Drive-Turntable/dp/B00005T3XH
I'm no expert, but it plays my records and the RCA out is pretty loud. I've had mine for a couple of years, which is longer than my much more expensive audio technica model lasted. |
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Catcher10
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17846 |
Posted: January 10 2013 at 14:19 |
That is a very good choice for a TT......Eventually you can sell this one for probably close to what you paid and move up a few steps.
I have the mmf-7.1 and it is a brilliant sounding table.
Enjoy it!
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Manuelmoreno
Forum Groupie Joined: December 17 2008 Location: Barranquilla Status: Offline Points: 51 |
Posted: January 10 2013 at 08:52 |
Finally I've made a decision: I'm going to order the Music Hall MMF 2.2 via amazon.
We'll see...
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Catcher10
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17846 |
Posted: December 02 2012 at 23:37 |
Nice wish list!! My only problem with VPI machines, is the need to upgrade almost endlessly. Wonderful machines, I just think they are about 20% too expensive.
I almost bought one from Definitive Audio in Bellevue...
Right now my wish list is:
Preamp: Musical Surrounding Phonomena II (I trialed one for about a month and had to send it back....now I want it)
Cartridge: Nagaoka MP-300 (I have the MP-110 and its brilliant)
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timothy leary
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
Posted: December 02 2012 at 20:33 |
This is what I wish for:
Turntable: VPI Scoutmaster
Tonearm: Trans-Fi Terminator 3 Cartridge: Audio-Technica AT33PTG Preamp: Pro-Ject Tubebox Soundcard: E-MU 1212 |
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Andy Webb
Special Collaborator Retired Admin Joined: June 04 2010 Location: Terria Status: Offline Points: 13298 |
Posted: December 02 2012 at 19:22 |
My dad owns a Rega turntable; I forget the exact model. Personally I love it; it's a beautiful machine with a wonderful tone.
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Catcher10
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17846 |
Posted: December 02 2012 at 17:07 |
^ A DD table should hold speed better, more consistantly, so should have a better wow&flutter rating. A belt drive may offer better vibration, noise isolation from the motor so the needle will pick up less outside noise....I have had both and I prefer belt driven tables, to me they are quieter.
But a very good direct drive table is tough to beat, especially the older Technics SL models, since they were designed for the club/disco DJ's back in the 70-80's.
Rega IMO is known for their tonearms, very good...I would not own one of their tables, I don't like the sound overall.
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Argonaught
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 04 2012 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 1413 |
Posted: December 02 2012 at 11:21 |
Audio Technica 120 does have a preamp and the phono corrector, but you may prefer to use the Yamaha's PHONO circuitry instead.
Someone, a few messages above, mentioned Rega .. why Rega? I am not questioning the axiom, just wondering why exactly would it be superior to other models in the same price range. I have never had one, but I can see it has a belt drive. Maybe it's a fallacy, but aren't DD motors supposed to be producing less vibration, all other things being equal? Edited by Argonaught - December 02 2012 at 17:16 |
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Aquiring the Taste
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Posted: November 28 2012 at 18:52 |
The Dual,s/h via Ebay, is the way to go.
Your choice of cartridge is determined by the arm, the Dual arm will work best with a catridge compliance of about 20cu. Edited by Aquiring the Taste - November 29 2012 at 15:48 |
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Catcher10
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17846 |
Posted: November 27 2012 at 17:32 |
Hola Manuel,
The Audio Technica AT-LP120 I believe is a USB turntable, which will allow you to record your vinyl to your computer so you can digitize all your vinyl. This table would have its own internal preamp so you can connect it direct to your Yamaha AUX input as a LINE OUT or use the PHONO OUT to your Yamaha phono input. From there you can decide which phono amp sounds better.....The ATLP120 can be a noisy table, its wow&flutter is high, I had one for about a year as I digitized a lot of my vinyl but I did not hear the noise much. It holds speed very well and can play 78rpm vinyl, it has a lot of good features, worth the US$215, especially for a direct drive TT, IMO.
The MH USB-1 is probably a bit better
But.....I would highly recommend the mmf-2.2. The plinth is made from MDF and is a very good dampening material for both sound and vibration. The motor is isolated from the base to help with any vibrations from your environment, you can upgrade this table with a better cartridge later on and enjoy the table even more. I am not sure if the phono cables are removable, if so that is another chance to upgrade the table later on with better phono grade cables.
You will have better results from this table than the other two......Depending on your listening habits I doubt you will want another table for sometime....Excellent musical return for your money.
Did you get the new remastered Abbey Road?
Good luck on your decision! Enjoy which ever you choose.. Edited by Catcher10 - November 27 2012 at 20:13 |
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Manuelmoreno
Forum Groupie Joined: December 17 2008 Location: Barranquilla Status: Offline Points: 51 |
Posted: November 27 2012 at 17:07 |
Thanks to you all. This is what I've found:
From the Dual costumer service they gave me no hope of finding their brand in Colombia, they also recommended me a Thorens TD158, TD170, TD190 or TD240 from they Germany factory, but the Thorens are too expensive for me right now.
I've found an Audio-Technica AT-LP120 ($215-new) in Amazon.com, which is the best way for me to buy on-line (I'm a regular costumer and never had a problem). In Music Direct there is a Music Hall USB-1 ($250-new) which fits my budget. I've also found a Music Hall MMF 2.2, but doubles the prices of these two turntables ($450-new). Would it be worthy the extra money for the MMF 2.2?
By the way, yesterday I received my new Abbey Road vinyl, it's just waiting for the turntable...
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Catcher10
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17846 |
Posted: November 21 2012 at 09:42 |
^ Ivan do you know of any dealers maybe in Mexico that could help him? I would suspect there are some based in Mexico City that sell all of central america and might reach to south america...
Just a thought
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: November 21 2012 at 09:24 |
In Perú you buy it in an open market called Polvos Azules. No official dealer (as usual), you may probably get it in SAGA Falabella, if not, go the net Iván
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Catcher10
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17846 |
Posted: November 21 2012 at 09:09 |
Buen dia Manuel
Ivan is making a good recommendation with the Dual table....if you can find one. If you spend sometime searching the internet you should find a dealer or seller that has demos for sale and also returns on upgrades. What I mean is sometimes a person will buy a table but usually have less than 1 yr to return the table for full value if they purchase a table twice the price.....So they are "gently used" tables, a demo might be better as you should still have the mfg warranty available.
A demo might simply be one that a dealer took out of the box for display or actually only used it to take pictures for some literature or their website....Those are really good deals and you can get an expensive table for less money.
Try the following sites that will ship international:
MusicDirect.com
Soundstagedirect.com
Spearitsound.com
Audiophileliquidator.net
Audiogon.com (this site is like an ebay, but you can find great deals on audio gear)
All of these online dealers have a demo or used section....And you can always try to bargain with them.
Just be aware with a "vintage" (older) tables you might find the need for parts and those could be hard to get in Colombia.
I have a Music Hall table (mmf-7.1) its a gorgeous table, their entry level tables perform well above price point, you will not be disappointed, and Roy Hall is a great person for product support....He will answer emails rather quickly.
Put a bit more budget into the cartridge, that is where you will find the big differences in sound....Another topic once you find a table.
Good luck on your search and enjoy your vinyl.
Un saludo
José
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Manuelmoreno
Forum Groupie Joined: December 17 2008 Location: Barranquilla Status: Offline Points: 51 |
Posted: November 21 2012 at 07:24 |
Gracias Iván,
I'll look for that model. Do you have the contact of the peruvian dealer?
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: November 20 2012 at 23:58 |
Excuse me guys
I will reply in Spanish to Manuel, being that in technical issues is better for me and he's Colombian. Manuel, los Dual son bastante cómodos y sencillos de utilizar, lo que los hace fácilmente reparables por un técnico cualquiera. Muchos se quejan del cartucho Ortofon OMB10, pero es bastante bueno y no daña los discos El Dual CS 505-4 cuesta entre $ 180.00 y $ 230.00 dependiendo del distribuidor (En Colombia debe ser un poco mas barato que en Perú) A mi me ha dado resultado, aún tengo el Dual CS 505-2 que es bastante mas antiguo. Saludos Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 21 2012 at 00:03 |
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libertycaps
Forum Groupie Joined: November 19 2012 Location: PDX, OR Status: Offline Points: 72 |
Posted: November 20 2012 at 23:28 |
Can get lucky with local Craigslist.
I'd stick with 70's-80's era Japanese TT's at that price point (Denon, JVC, Hitachi, Yamaha, Pioneer) then check vinylengine.com for specs/details/build on the TT offered. Do a hands on demo to make sure any/all auto functions work properly.
Good luck. A good TT can be had with your budget. I drove down to Salem and snagged a Denon DP-47F for a Benji. (No cart of course...) Edited by libertycaps - November 20 2012 at 23:42 |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: October 02 2012 at 07:04 |
I agree with Oliver - there is nothing in that price range, however, you may pickup something used or pre-owned that would be acceptable for that money on eBay or similar (I think it unlikely, but it's worth a try). Before you do, I suggest you ask yourself what is "acceptable" - something that plays vinyl without damaging it is the minimum - most of the "quality" of a turn-table comes from the cartridge and tone-arm, what the plinth and platter is made of is secondary and whether it is belt-drive or direct is something you'll have to listen to to see if it makes any difference for you.
I do not tthink the Rega P3 is the minimum, there are other turntables available for less than $500 that are perfectly acceptable, such as the Rega RP1 or Pro-Ject Debut III ... the Pro-ject Essential at $399 is not a bad buy for someone who has an old system and just wants to modernise... I know this is over double your budget but unfortunately that is how it is in the hi-fi market at the moment - a turntable for less than $400 is not looking good because the demand isn't there so what is being sold "on a budget" is really very poor.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: October 02 2012 at 06:30 |
There's no good TT in that price range. It's Rega P3 at minimum.
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