Forum Home Forum Home > Progressive Music Lounges > Prog Music Lounge
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Most influential Prog Bands
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Topic ClosedMost influential Prog Bands
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 45678 16>
Author
Message Reverse Sort Order
  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
giselle View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: March 18 2011
Location: Hertford
Status: Offline
Points: 466 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2012 at 05:14
There's some truth in that, but if any band could be said to be the crucial influence, it would be 1-2-3, yet because they never recorded till later, they remain relatively obscure in many people's minds.
Back to Top
ballpower View Drop Down
Forum Newbie
Forum Newbie


Joined: November 30 2012
Status: Offline
Points: 3 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2012 at 14:00
Hi

It's so hard to say, so many different bands have influenced so many different bands then influencing more bands...

My clumsy point being as prog is an ever growing and evolving organism it's impossible to say where the influence starts and when it ends, as neither truly exist
Back to Top
giselle View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: March 18 2011
Location: Hertford
Status: Offline
Points: 466 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2012 at 18:21
Genesis? Never. I like the band a lot, but influential? Only on bands who have little to contribute themselves. Crimson only had one relevant album, but that was enough to set the genre on its way.
Back to Top
progbethyname View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 30 2012
Location: HiFi Headmania
Status: Offline
Points: 7849 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2012 at 17:48
I think it's a battle between GENESIS and KING CRIMSON so far for most influential prog band. My vote would go to Genesis In a heart beat because I'm such a huge fan of Neo prog and I love how they started it all with album TRICK OF THE TAIL. Still to this day one of the greatest prog albums of all time.
Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣
Back to Top
tamijo View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 06 2009
Location: Denmark
Status: Offline
Points: 4287 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2012 at 08:34
Bill Bruford :
I think everybody in Yes and King Crimson thought that Genesis would never make it because they sounded like a combination of the two groups. We thought they might be too late — we’d been there and done it. We saw them along the lines of ‘Genesis are quite fun, but they’ve got a guitarist who sits down like Robert Fripp and a drummer who plays a bit like Bill.
 
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
Back to Top
tamijo View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 06 2009
Location: Denmark
Status: Offline
Points: 4287 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2012 at 08:23
Id call it likeing an album, prior to their symphonic period, in a style not that far from what they are doing, influence 

Edited by tamijo - November 25 2012 at 08:26
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
Back to Top
Snow Dog View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: March 23 2005
Location: Caerdydd
Status: Offline
Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2012 at 08:21
^I wouldn't. I'd call it what is. Liking the sound of an instrument.
Back to Top
tamijo View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 06 2009
Location: Denmark
Status: Offline
Points: 4287 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2012 at 08:10
Genesis bought a Mellotron (King Crimsons) because they loved the sound from In the Court
I would call it clear influence
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
Back to Top
Sagichim View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: November 29 2006
Location: Israel
Status: Offline
Points: 6632 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2012 at 08:05
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by maani maani wrote:


I would question the "influence" of King Crimson: they were certainly among the progenitors of prog, and there are a few prog bands who exhibit some influence from them.  (Mars Volta is among the most obvious.)  But I would not say that their OVERALL influence was very large.  On the other hand, Rush probably influenced more neo-prog and especially prog-metal bands than almost anyone (as well as quite a few non-prog bands!).  (Though some of the most influential neo-prog bands - Marillion, Porcupine Tree, IQ, Spock's Beard et al - were influenced less by Rush than by Genesis, Yes, Gentle Giant, Floyd, ELP, Moody Blues et al.)
 

 
Peace.

I agree, King Crinson is anything but influential, mainly because they never had a particular sound that lasted enough to influence anybody, they kept changing.

Many bands claim to be influenced by KC, but except Anglagard I don't find any band remotely similar.



I totally disagree with both of you. It's right KC were always changing but there's that unmistakably line going through all their albums which makes it pretty easy to identify it's a KC album, they definitely had a distinct sound.

A huge amount of bands were influenced by them, just off the top of my head:
Bi Kyo Ran
Bubu
Shylock
Il Balletto Di Bronzo
Cosmos Factory

But anyway isn't that's enough when a lot of bands say they were influenced by them?
Back to Top
Guldbamsen View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Retired Admin

Joined: January 22 2009
Location: Magic Theatre
Status: Offline
Points: 23104 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2012 at 06:43
Amon Duul ll.
I almost mean that actually.
“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”

- Douglas Adams
Back to Top
Snow Dog View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: March 23 2005
Location: Caerdydd
Status: Offline
Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2012 at 06:39
I am yet to hear the resemblance between Trespass and the KC debut, or even Heart of The Sunrise with Schizoid. Not enough to  prove any influence anyhow. And even if stuff sounds similar it coukld still be coincidence.
Back to Top
rogerthat View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer


Joined: September 03 2006
Location: .
Status: Offline
Points: 9869 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2012 at 05:58
And so much for Genesis and Yes's 'influence'; Trespass has unmistakable resemblances to the KC debut and the track Heart of the Sunrise too starts off with music similar to Schizoid.   Whole sections of music that evoke KC can be heard in bands across genres and time periods - whether in Camel or even in Bacamarte much later.   TFK's Back in the world of adventures uses a riff similar to One More Red Nightmare.   I could go on.  KC's influence is all over the map.
Back to Top
Gerinski View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: February 10 2010
Location: Barcelona Spain
Status: Offline
Points: 5154 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2012 at 05:57
Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:


I agree, King Crinson is anything but influential, mainly because they never had a particular sound that lasted enough to influence anybody, they kept changing.

Many bands claim to be influenced by KC, but except Anglagard I don't find any band remotely similar.
 
Iván
 
Depends on what you call influence, its true that not many bands sounds like KC, but that does not prove they did not take influence, they may listen a lot to KC, use diffrent idears, still come out sounding very diffrent.
 
 
Agree, one proof is the many times you will find the expression "Crimson-esque" when reading reviews in PA, probably nor referring to a whole album but to some particular song or fragment.
Back to Top
giselle View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: March 18 2011
Location: Hertford
Status: Offline
Points: 466 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2012 at 05:38
That one stopped me a bit; I would be the first to say that King Crimson itself sprang from 1-2-3 and then Yes, but there seems little doubt that the emergence of King Crimson was THE defining moment for what we call Prog. So even in that sense, everything that follows springs from that.
Back to Top
tamijo View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 06 2009
Location: Denmark
Status: Offline
Points: 4287 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2012 at 10:53
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by maani maani wrote:


I would question the "influence" of King Crimson: they were certainly among the progenitors of prog, and there are a few prog bands who exhibit some influence from them.  (Mars Volta is among the most obvious.)  But I would not say that their OVERALL influence was very large.  On the other hand, Rush probably influenced more neo-prog and especially prog-metal bands than almost anyone (as well as quite a few non-prog bands!).  (Though some of the most influential neo-prog bands - Marillion, Porcupine Tree, IQ, Spock's Beard et al - were influenced less by Rush than by Genesis, Yes, Gentle Giant, Floyd, ELP, Moody Blues et al.)
 

 
Peace.

Great to see you Maani

I agree, King Crinson is anything but influential, mainly because they never had a particular sound that lasted enough to influence anybody, they kept changing.

Many bands claim to be influenced by KC, but except Anglagard I don't find any band remotely similar.

- Genesis is the root of Neo Prog
- Pink Floyd developed Space Rock
- Yes was very influential
- Tull to all Prog Folk

I stop counting really influential bands apart from The Beatles

Keep Proggin'

Iván
 
Depends on what you call influence, its true that not many bands sounds like KC, but that does not prove they did not take influence, they may listen a lot to KC, use diffrent idears, still come out sounding very diffrent.
 
If you copy (lets say genesis Wink) you sound like genesis, but your drummer might very well be influenced by Allan White or Fleetwood Mac, your band as a hole, just play Neo Prog, with a singer sounding like Gabriel/Collins.
 
   
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
Back to Top
Ivan_Melgar_M View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: April 27 2004
Location: Peru
Status: Offline
Points: 19535 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2012 at 10:41
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:


I would question the "influence" of King Crimson: they were certainly among the progenitors of prog, and there are a few prog bands who exhibit some influence from them.  (Mars Volta is among the most obvious.)  But I would not say that their OVERALL influence was very large.  On the other hand, Rush probably influenced more neo-prog and especially prog-metal bands than almost anyone (as well as quite a few non-prog bands!).  (Though some of the most influential neo-prog bands - Marillion, Porcupine Tree, IQ, Spock's Beard et al - were influenced less by Rush than by Genesis, Yes, Gentle Giant, Floyd, ELP, Moody Blues et al.)
 

 
Peace.

Great to see you Maani

I agree, King Crinson is anything but influential, mainly because they never had a particular sound that lasted enough to influence anybody, they kept changing.

Many bands claim to be influenced by KC, but except Anglagard I don't find any band remotely similar.

- Genesis is the root of Neo Prog
- Pink Floyd developed Space Rock
- Yes was very influential
- Tull to all Prog Folk

I stop counting really influential bands apart from The Beatles

Keep Proggin'

Iván
            
Back to Top
tamijo View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 06 2009
Location: Denmark
Status: Offline
Points: 4287 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2012 at 10:37
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

how much can one say Mannfred Manns early keybord wizardry and comps did influence early prog?, or was he rather more influenced by prog, or anything


I think its both ways.
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
Back to Top
Rushforever View Drop Down
Forum Newbie
Forum Newbie


Joined: November 06 2012
Status: Offline
Points: 8 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2012 at 10:25
Originally posted by Fox On The Rocks Fox On The Rocks wrote:

I'd say the most influential band, overall, is King Crimson. They've meddled with so many different styles and sounds; they're extremely eclectic. Their influence has reached to so many bands like Rush, Tool, math-rock/post-rock bands like Don Caballero, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Dream Theater, Metallica, etc.
60's: The Beatles, Procol Harum, The Moody Blues
70's: King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Yes, Gentle Giant, Frank Zappa, Can, Magma,
80's: Rush, Marillion, Saga
90's: Porcupine Tree, Dream Theater, The Flower Kings, Tool, Opeth

Agree... but also Fates Warning in 90's Approve
Back to Top
Icarium View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP Member

Joined: March 21 2008
Location: Tigerstaden
Status: Offline
Points: 34055 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2012 at 09:27
how much can one say Mannfred Manns early keybord wizardry and comps did influence early prog?, or was he rather more influenced by prog, or anything
Back to Top
giselle View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: March 18 2011
Location: Hertford
Status: Offline
Points: 466 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2012 at 07:58
First three were/are fine artists,and early pioneers, but Prog? Hardly. Zappa and Moodies would have more of a claim.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 45678 16>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.168 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.