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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2012 at 16:24
The BBC Radiophonic Workshop, 1958 to 1998

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2012 at 12:18
There's a bit of truth in that

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2012 at 12:52
Well this question of most influencing bands of each generation for progressive evolution is a very big multi layered question, so I'm gonna keep it brief.

1970's---RUSH, FLOYD, CRIMSON and of course the great GENESIS and YES. These bands are all a huge given when it comes to prog roots. Self explanatory really. ;)

1980's----MARILLION, IQ, QUEENSRŸCHE and KRAFTWERK. The 80's were the height of the Neo prog genre being fully unleashed. These bands listed except KRAFTWERK paved a huge path for a lot of greats, especially in the prog metal end of things. KRAFTWERK helped out a lot of metal bands to redefine their sound by adding more synth into their overall sound. You could even include RUSH as a big figure in this as well.

The 1990's---DREAM THEATER, OPETH, ARENA and NIGHTWISH. these bands gave way to prog metal at its finest and taking it to a more technical and virtuaso level. Great stuff indeed.

2000's--- I am baffled Here. I feel this yet to be determined. I don't see much in the way of innovation only similar styles of what the 80's and 90's exhibit. Their is no band that i can say defines a new form of music on prog in the last 15 years.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2012 at 13:11
Arena and Nightwish as influential? I don't think so.

Some 90's and onward bands i feel are influencial..

GY!Be, Tool, TMV, Radiohead, Neurosis, Tortoise, Don Caballero.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2012 at 13:26
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Arena and Nightwish as influential? I don't think so.

They may not be influential with the bands you like, but they are both certainly influential.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2012 at 13:59
^ Most influential?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2012 at 14:05
^^^ Those bands I listed I feel are the most influential in certain prog genres. Not all prog genres. Sheesh! That would take forever to systematically break that down.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2012 at 01:52
60s    Kinks, Alexi Korner, Peter Green, Moody Blues, King Crimson, Frank Zappa.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2012 at 07:58
First three were/are fine artists,and early pioneers, but Prog? Hardly. Zappa and Moodies would have more of a claim.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2012 at 09:27
how much can one say Mannfred Manns early keybord wizardry and comps did influence early prog?, or was he rather more influenced by prog, or anything
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2012 at 10:25
Originally posted by Fox On The Rocks Fox On The Rocks wrote:

I'd say the most influential band, overall, is King Crimson. They've meddled with so many different styles and sounds; they're extremely eclectic. Their influence has reached to so many bands like Rush, Tool, math-rock/post-rock bands like Don Caballero, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Dream Theater, Metallica, etc.
60's: The Beatles, Procol Harum, The Moody Blues
70's: King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Yes, Gentle Giant, Frank Zappa, Can, Magma,
80's: Rush, Marillion, Saga
90's: Porcupine Tree, Dream Theater, The Flower Kings, Tool, Opeth

Agree... but also Fates Warning in 90's Approve
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2012 at 10:37
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

how much can one say Mannfred Manns early keybord wizardry and comps did influence early prog?, or was he rather more influenced by prog, or anything


I think its both ways.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2012 at 10:41
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:


I would question the "influence" of King Crimson: they were certainly among the progenitors of prog, and there are a few prog bands who exhibit some influence from them.  (Mars Volta is among the most obvious.)  But I would not say that their OVERALL influence was very large.  On the other hand, Rush probably influenced more neo-prog and especially prog-metal bands than almost anyone (as well as quite a few non-prog bands!).  (Though some of the most influential neo-prog bands - Marillion, Porcupine Tree, IQ, Spock's Beard et al - were influenced less by Rush than by Genesis, Yes, Gentle Giant, Floyd, ELP, Moody Blues et al.)
 

 
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I agree, King Crinson is anything but influential, mainly because they never had a particular sound that lasted enough to influence anybody, they kept changing.

Many bands claim to be influenced by KC, but except Anglagard I don't find any band remotely similar.

- Genesis is the root of Neo Prog
- Pink Floyd developed Space Rock
- Yes was very influential
- Tull to all Prog Folk

I stop counting really influential bands apart from The Beatles

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2012 at 10:53
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by maani maani wrote:


I would question the "influence" of King Crimson: they were certainly among the progenitors of prog, and there are a few prog bands who exhibit some influence from them.  (Mars Volta is among the most obvious.)  But I would not say that their OVERALL influence was very large.  On the other hand, Rush probably influenced more neo-prog and especially prog-metal bands than almost anyone (as well as quite a few non-prog bands!).  (Though some of the most influential neo-prog bands - Marillion, Porcupine Tree, IQ, Spock's Beard et al - were influenced less by Rush than by Genesis, Yes, Gentle Giant, Floyd, ELP, Moody Blues et al.)
 

 
Peace.

Great to see you Maani

I agree, King Crinson is anything but influential, mainly because they never had a particular sound that lasted enough to influence anybody, they kept changing.

Many bands claim to be influenced by KC, but except Anglagard I don't find any band remotely similar.

- Genesis is the root of Neo Prog
- Pink Floyd developed Space Rock
- Yes was very influential
- Tull to all Prog Folk

I stop counting really influential bands apart from The Beatles

Keep Proggin'

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Depends on what you call influence, its true that not many bands sounds like KC, but that does not prove they did not take influence, they may listen a lot to KC, use diffrent idears, still come out sounding very diffrent.
 
If you copy (lets say genesis Wink) you sound like genesis, but your drummer might very well be influenced by Allan White or Fleetwood Mac, your band as a hole, just play Neo Prog, with a singer sounding like Gabriel/Collins.
 
   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2012 at 05:38
That one stopped me a bit; I would be the first to say that King Crimson itself sprang from 1-2-3 and then Yes, but there seems little doubt that the emergence of King Crimson was THE defining moment for what we call Prog. So even in that sense, everything that follows springs from that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2012 at 05:57
Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:


I agree, King Crinson is anything but influential, mainly because they never had a particular sound that lasted enough to influence anybody, they kept changing.

Many bands claim to be influenced by KC, but except Anglagard I don't find any band remotely similar.
 
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Depends on what you call influence, its true that not many bands sounds like KC, but that does not prove they did not take influence, they may listen a lot to KC, use diffrent idears, still come out sounding very diffrent.
 
 
Agree, one proof is the many times you will find the expression "Crimson-esque" when reading reviews in PA, probably nor referring to a whole album but to some particular song or fragment.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2012 at 05:58
And so much for Genesis and Yes's 'influence'; Trespass has unmistakable resemblances to the KC debut and the track Heart of the Sunrise too starts off with music similar to Schizoid.   Whole sections of music that evoke KC can be heard in bands across genres and time periods - whether in Camel or even in Bacamarte much later.   TFK's Back in the world of adventures uses a riff similar to One More Red Nightmare.   I could go on.  KC's influence is all over the map.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2012 at 06:39
I am yet to hear the resemblance between Trespass and the KC debut, or even Heart of The Sunrise with Schizoid. Not enough to  prove any influence anyhow. And even if stuff sounds similar it coukld still be coincidence.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2012 at 06:43
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2012 at 08:05
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by maani maani wrote:


I would question the "influence" of King Crimson: they were certainly among the progenitors of prog, and there are a few prog bands who exhibit some influence from them.  (Mars Volta is among the most obvious.)  But I would not say that their OVERALL influence was very large.  On the other hand, Rush probably influenced more neo-prog and especially prog-metal bands than almost anyone (as well as quite a few non-prog bands!).  (Though some of the most influential neo-prog bands - Marillion, Porcupine Tree, IQ, Spock's Beard et al - were influenced less by Rush than by Genesis, Yes, Gentle Giant, Floyd, ELP, Moody Blues et al.)
 

 
Peace.

I agree, King Crinson is anything but influential, mainly because they never had a particular sound that lasted enough to influence anybody, they kept changing.

Many bands claim to be influenced by KC, but except Anglagard I don't find any band remotely similar.



I totally disagree with both of you. It's right KC were always changing but there's that unmistakably line going through all their albums which makes it pretty easy to identify it's a KC album, they definitely had a distinct sound.

A huge amount of bands were influenced by them, just off the top of my head:
Bi Kyo Ran
Bubu
Shylock
Il Balletto Di Bronzo
Cosmos Factory

But anyway isn't that's enough when a lot of bands say they were influenced by them?


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