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    Posted: September 29 2012 at 06:52
Some weeks ago I've decided to pack out my very modest collection of vinyl records, only to find out that my poor and cheap Aiwa turntable is not working.  

So, now I have an excuse to buy a new turntable. Can you recommend me a nice budget turntable? I live in Colombia, so my options are limited to what I can found in Amazon or a few more on-line shops. I'm thinking of something between $100 - $150.

My setup is a Yamaha stereo receiver RX397 (which has a dedicated phono input), hooked up to a pair of Bose 301 series IV speakers. 

Suggestions?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2012 at 06:30
There's no good TT in that price range. It's Rega P3 at minimum.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2012 at 07:04

I agree with Oliver - there is nothing in that price range, however, you may pickup something used or pre-owned that would be acceptable for that money on eBay or similar (I think it unlikely, but it's worth a try).

Before you do, I suggest you ask yourself what is "acceptable" - something that plays vinyl without damaging it is the minimum - most of the "quality" of a turn-table comes from the cartridge and tone-arm, what the plinth and platter is made of is secondary and whether it is belt-drive or direct is something you'll have to listen to to see if it makes any difference for you.
 
I do not tthink the Rega P3 is the minimum, there are other turntables available for less than $500 that are perfectly acceptable, such as the Rega RP1 or Pro-Ject Debut III ... the Pro-ject Essential at $399 is not a bad buy for someone who has an old system and just wants to modernise... I know this is over double your budget but unfortunately that is how it is in the hi-fi market at the moment - a turntable for less than $400 is not looking good because the demand isn't there so what is being sold "on a budget" is really very poor.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2012 at 23:28
Can get lucky with local Craigslist.
I'd stick with 70's-80's era Japanese TT's at that price point (Denon, JVC, Hitachi, Yamaha, Pioneer) then check  vinylengine.com for specs/details/build on the TT offered. Do a hands on demo to make sure any/all auto functions work properly.
 
Good luck. A good TT can be had with your budget. I drove down to Salem and snagged a Denon DP-47F for a Benji. (No cart of course...)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2012 at 23:58
Originally posted by Manuelmoreno Manuelmoreno wrote:

Some weeks ago I've decided to pack out my very modest collection of vinyl records, only to find out that my poor and cheap Aiwa turntable is not working.  

So, now I have an excuse to buy a new turntable. Can you recommend me a nice budget turntable? I live in Colombia, so my options are limited to what I can found in Amazon or a few more on-line shops. I'm thinking of something between $100 - $150.

My setup is a Yamaha stereo receiver RX397 (which has a dedicated phono input), hooked up to a pair of Bose 301 series IV speakers. 

Suggestions?

Excuse me guys  

I will reply in Spanish to Manuel, being that in technical issues is better for me and he's Colombian.

Manuel, los Dual son bastante cómodos y sencillos de utilizar, lo que los hace fácilmente reparables por un técnico cualquiera.

Muchos se quejan del cartucho Ortofon OMB10, pero es bastante bueno y no daña los discos

El Dual CS 505-4 cuesta entre $ 180.00 y $ 230.00 dependiendo del distribuidor (En Colombia debe ser un poco mas barato que en Perú)




A mi me ha dado resultado, aún tengo el Dual CS 505-2 que es bastante mas antiguo.

Saludos

Iván


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2012 at 07:24
Gracias Iván,
 
I'll look for that model.  Do you have the contact of the peruvian dealer?
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2012 at 09:09
Buen dia Manuel
 
Ivan is making a good recommendation with the Dual table....if you can find one. If you spend sometime searching the internet you should find a dealer or seller that has demos for sale and also returns on upgrades. What I mean is sometimes a person will buy a table but usually have less than 1 yr to return the table for full value if they purchase a table twice the price.....So they are "gently used" tables, a demo might be better as you should still have the mfg warranty available.
A demo might simply be one that a dealer took out of the box for display or actually only used it to take pictures for some literature or their website....Those are really good deals and you can get an expensive table for less money.
Try the following sites that will ship international:
MusicDirect.com
Soundstagedirect.com
Spearitsound.com
Audiophileliquidator.net
Audiogon.com (this site is like an ebay, but you can find great deals on audio gear)
All of these online dealers have a demo or used section....And you can always try to bargain with them.
 
Just be aware with a "vintage" (older) tables you might find the need for parts and those could be hard to get in Colombia.
I have a Music Hall table (mmf-7.1) its a gorgeous table, their entry level tables perform well above price point, you will not be disappointed, and Roy Hall is a great person for product support....He will answer emails rather quickly.
 
Put a bit more budget into the cartridge, that is where you will find the big differences in sound....Another topic once you find a table.
 
Good luck on your search and enjoy your vinyl.
 
Un saludo
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2012 at 09:24
Originally posted by Manuelmoreno Manuelmoreno wrote:

Gracias Iván,
 
I'll look for that model.  Do you have the contact of the peruvian dealer?
 
 

In Perú you buy it in an open market called Polvos Azules.

No official dealer (as usual), you may probably get it in SAGA Falabella, if not, go the net

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2012 at 09:42
^ Ivan do you know of any dealers maybe in Mexico that could help him? I would suspect there are some based in Mexico City that sell all of central america and might reach to south america...
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2012 at 17:07
Thanks to you all.  This is what I've found: 
 
From the Dual costumer service they gave me no hope of finding their brand in Colombia, they also recommended me a Thorens TD158, TD170, TD190 or TD240 from they Germany factory, but the Thorens are too expensive for me right now. 
 
I've found an Audio-Technica AT-LP120 ($215-new) in Amazon.com, which is the best way for me to buy on-line (I'm a regular costumer and never had a problem). In Music Direct there is a Music Hall USB-1 ($250-new) which fits my budget. I've also found a Music Hall MMF 2.2, but doubles the prices of these two turntables ($450-new). Would it be worthy the extra money for the MMF 2.2?
 
By the way, yesterday I received my new Abbey Road vinyl, it's just waiting for the turntable...
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2012 at 17:32
Hola Manuel,
The Audio Technica AT-LP120 I believe is a USB turntable, which will allow you to record your vinyl to your computer so you can digitize all your vinyl. This table would have its own internal preamp so you can connect it direct to your Yamaha AUX input as a LINE OUT or use the PHONO OUT to your Yamaha phono input. From there you can decide which phono amp sounds better.....The ATLP120 can be a noisy table, its wow&flutter is high, I had one for about a year as I digitized a lot of my vinyl but I did not hear the noise much. It holds speed very well and can play 78rpm vinyl, it has a lot of good features, worth the US$215, especially for a direct drive TT, IMO.
 
The MH USB-1 is probably a bit better
 
But.....I would highly recommend the mmf-2.2. The plinth is made from MDF and is a very good dampening material for both sound and vibration. The motor is isolated from the base to help with any vibrations from your environment, you can upgrade this table with a better cartridge later on and enjoy the table even more. I am not sure if the phono cables are removable, if so that is another chance to upgrade the table later on with better phono grade cables.
You will have better results from this table than the other two......Depending on your listening habits I doubt you will want another table for sometime....Excellent musical return for your money.
 
Did you get the new remastered Abbey Road?
 
Good luck on your decision! Enjoy which ever you choose..


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2012 at 18:52
The Dual,s/h via Ebay, is the way to go.
Your choice of cartridge is determined by the arm, the Dual arm will work best with a catridge compliance of about 20cu.

Edited by Aquiring the Taste - November 29 2012 at 15:48
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2012 at 11:21
Audio Technica 120 does have a preamp and the phono corrector, but you may prefer to use the Yamaha's PHONO circuitry instead. 

Someone, a few messages above, mentioned Rega .. why Rega? I am not questioning the axiom, just wondering why exactly would it be superior to other models in the same price range. I  have never had one, but I can see it has a belt drive. Maybe it's a fallacy, but aren't DD motors supposed to be producing less vibration, all other things being equal? 







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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2012 at 17:07
^ A DD table should hold speed better, more consistantly, so should have a better wow&flutter rating. A belt drive may offer better vibration, noise isolation from the motor so the needle will pick up less outside noise....I have had both and I prefer belt driven tables, to me they are quieter.
 
But a very good direct drive table is tough to beat, especially the older Technics SL models, since they were designed for the club/disco DJ's back in the 70-80's.
 
Rega IMO is known for their tonearms, very good...I would not own one of their tables, I don't like the sound overall.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2012 at 19:22
My dad owns a Rega turntable; I forget the exact model. Personally I love it; it's a beautiful machine with a wonderful tone.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2012 at 20:33
This is what I wish for:

Turntable: VPI Scoutmaster
Tonearm: Trans-Fi Terminator 3
Cartridge: Audio-Technica AT33PTG
Preamp: Pro-Ject Tubebox
Soundcard: E-MU 1212


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2012 at 23:37
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

This is what I wish for:

Turntable: VPI Scoutmaster
Tonearm: Trans-Fi Terminator 3
Cartridge: Audio-Technica AT33PTG
Preamp: Pro-Ject Tubebox
Soundcard: E-MU 1212


 
Nice wish list!! My only problem with VPI machines, is the need to upgrade almost endlessly. Wonderful machines, I just think they are about 20% too expensive.
I almost bought one from Definitive Audio in Bellevue...
 
Right now my wish list is:
Preamp: Musical Surrounding Phonomena II (I trialed one for about a month and had to send it back....now I want it)
Cartridge: Nagaoka MP-300 (I have the MP-110 and its brilliant)
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 08:52
Finally I've made a decision: I'm going to order the Music Hall MMF 2.2 via amazon.

We'll see...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 14:19
Originally posted by Manuelmoreno Manuelmoreno wrote:

Finally I've made a decision: I'm going to order the Music Hall MMF 2.2 via amazon.

We'll see...


 
That is a very good choice for a TT......Eventually you can sell this one for probably close to what you paid and move up a few steps.
I have the mmf-7.1 and it is a brilliant sounding table.
 
Enjoy it!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2013 at 03:03
I have this one -  http://www.amazon.com/Sony-PS-LX250H-Automatic-Belt-Drive-Turntable/dp/B00005T3XH

I'm no expert, but it plays my records and the RCA out is pretty loud.  I've had mine for a couple of years, which is longer than my much more expensive audio technica model lasted. 
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