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Prog_Traveller ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 29 2005 Location: Bucks county PA Status: Offline Points: 1474 |
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OK. I'll probably get poo pooed by some for suggesting this but the fact is the Dead were very psychedelic and had a lot of spacey segments and improvs in their music especially their live shows. Then there's "Terripin Station" which is is more prog than what some prog bands were doing in the late seventies.
I'm sure some on here will agree with me that they should be included somewhere on this site. If not psych/space then maybe crossover prog or prog related or even proto prog. Hey if the Beatles, Who, Doors, Jefferson Airplane, Jimi Hendrix and Deep Purple can be on here then why not the Grateful Dead. I think most are familiar enough with them that I don't need to provide any youtube videos or whatever but if anyone else wants to please don't hesitate to do so(my youtube links haven't been working anyway). |
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13794 |
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I certainly will not "poo poo' you, but without even doing a search, I can say with confidence that they have been suggested on more than one occasion.
My opinion, for what it is worth, is that they were instrumental in that West American hippy culture of the time, but never ever regarded as a progressive rock band.
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Edited by Andy Webb - October 17 2012 at 13:58 |
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13794 |
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Quite a few then!
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Andy Webb ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: June 04 2010 Location: Terria Status: Offline Points: 13298 |
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Yea, it's not a new subject. It's never had support before, so I can't imagine why it would now.
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Grateful Dead have been rejected by all the appropriate full teams. They have also been suggested, considered and rejected for prog-related. In short: This is a dead horse. Have some mercy and stop whipping it ;-)
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Prog_Traveller ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 29 2005 Location: Bucks county PA Status: Offline Points: 1474 |
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And the Jefferson Airplane, The Who and Jim Hendrix have? ![]() Btw, I wasn't aware of all the other threads in regards to this topic but I don't regret and stand by my opinion that they should be included in either prog related, proto prog or psych/space. If my suggestion falls dead like all the others than so be it. I can live with that. |
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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66588 |
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Previous suggestions have led to some pretty bloody battles with many casualties taken on both sides of the aisle.
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Prog_Traveller ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 29 2005 Location: Bucks county PA Status: Offline Points: 1474 |
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![]() Well I am only now starting to warm up to the GD. I've never been much of a fan and I don't even consider them a full blown prog band but neither are many other bands on this site which is my point. I just feel they are just as qualified as some of the others on here. That's all. If they don't get voted in then it can be no more than a political decision from a a few elite members on here. The higher ups rule the land and they probably won't agree or allow it but like I said it's political(bloody or not). Edited by Prog_Traveller - October 17 2012 at 15:26 |
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Personally, I'm not familiar enough with The Dead to provide a true opinion. Using the unusable argument that since Phish are here in Prog Related and Umphrey's McGee are here in Crossover Prog, I would think that there is a legitimate case for The Dead in at least Proto Prog or Prog-related. That being said, I can understand the "they're psychedelic but not prog psychedelic". In regards to criticizing the "higher ups", the band went through the process and the Admins decided that in their collective opinions the Dead did not meet the criteria that they felt was necessary to add them to the site. Agree or disagree their decision should be respected for what it is. Now, their decision to exclude Judas Priest on the other hand...
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What?
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Einsetumadur ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 24 2008 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 265 |
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By far more important and instrumental in defining progressive rock were The Byrds. But that's a different story - they've been rejected manifold times as well. :)
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All in all each man in all men
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Prog_Traveller ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 29 2005 Location: Bucks county PA Status: Offline Points: 1474 |
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[/QUOTE]Nothing political about that.[/QUOTE] It is when you have TOri Amos, Jefferson Airplane, The Doors and the Who. That said, I do respect the collaborators and higher ups opinion and decisions. |
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AEProgman ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2012 Location: Toadstool Status: Offline Points: 1789 |
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I followed them at one time for a couple of years, mainly after I heard Terrapin Station (as mentioned above) as the title track suite was very good and used some symphony (I believe) in production, as a lot of bands did back then. Also, From the Mars Hotel, Unbroken Chain had some psych moments in the instrumental part. There are a few albums by a combo of artists who called themselves "Jazz is Dead" which did some very lively instrumentals in a Jazzy/Rock style of all Grateful Dead songs. Quite good, I did not see them listed anywhere.
I understand and It does not bother me that they are not listed here, but it does not mean you can't have a thread about them...although some anti dead heads may drop by..
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I'm assuming you are using the 'Insert Movie' feature of the full reply editor (8th icon from the left on the top row - looks a bit like a ladder). This sometimes plays up for me too - the link just won't paste into the 'YouTube File Name' box for some reason...but you can always add Youtube videos manually. To do this just paste [TUBE] at the point in your post where you want the video to appear, followed immediately by the 11-digit code of the particular video (ie, from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO5eg7TBmy8 you would just need CO5eg7TBmy8) - then follow that with another [TUBE], but in this case add a forward slash between the first square bracket and the letter 'T' of the word [TUBE] (I can't actually enter it here exactly as it should appear, or it will try to interpret everything I have written since the first [TUBE] as the instruction and code for a video, and heaven knows what would actually end up in the post! A quick way of doing it manually is to use the 'Insert Movie' feature of the full reply editor, but not to paste anything in the 'YouTube File Name' box - just hit OK straight away, and you'll get your two sets of brackets instantly. Now you just need to pop the 11-digit code in between them, and hey presto, you're done!! That method never fails for me.
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javier0889 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 21 2010 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 170 |
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If Phish is allowed here, I can't see why the Dead aren't.
Hairy men with glasses who play ridiculously strange riffs is the definition of prog.
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i laughed. ^
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the best category for the Grateful Dead would be Protoprog-- the question is not "if Airplane and Phish are here why not the Dead?" but rather "Did the Dead progress rock in a significant way?". It's a matter of interpretation, and a higher bar.
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javier0889 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 21 2010 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 170 |
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Well if we only take studio albums, the Dead may seem a good, but not particularly groundbreaking, folk rock band. But the real magic was found in live shows. I think the Dead changed the notion of live shows in all senses. We can say that improvs were a big thing in the 70's but I'm pretty sure nobody ever did it like them.
Still, in their early records, they used a lot of experimental elements. The way they recorded their albums defied normal conceptions about production, exploiting any element they could in the way they wanted to. Plus Jerry Garcia is a badass, Nuff said.
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Oh not these old geysers again! Ok one good album American Beauty ( I have it) and tinges of prog - but nothing worth adding them here.
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