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dtguitarfan 
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 Posted: October 03 2012 at 07:10 |
 Saperlipopette! wrote:
I'd say a top 100 list based on ratings given by a large community is the opposite of pretentious
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Oh really? What about the fact that some people's opinions matter more than others? 
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fuxi
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Posted: October 03 2012 at 07:15 |
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I love Big Big Train and I'll agree THE UNDERFALL YARD is probably the best English symphonic prog album of the last 35(!)years. I haven't heard their latest release, but I follow the band on Facebook, where someone recently suggested that all friends of the band post reviews on Prog Archives! I suppose the call was heard, and its result is the ranking you're complaining about.
Objectively speaking, the whole thing doesn't make sense - I'll agree to that! ELP are no special favourites of mine, but whenever I play TARKUS, TRILOGY or BRAIN SALAD SURGERY, I thoroughly enjoy them (give or take a few tracks), and in my eyes they NEARLY have the same classic status as FOXTROT or CTTE. The main problem with ELP is that they never really touch the heart strings. No matter what Greg Lake is singing about, he always sounds like a pompous prat...
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Alitare
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Posted: October 03 2012 at 07:19 |
Oh, HORSE sh*t! Don't get into that discussion again. They only matter more than others through a sort of filtered site seniority system. I was a FOUR STAR PROG REVIEWIN' MACHINE! I used to have that mass importance stamped on all my trivial reviews - then I got too lazy to change all my mean-spirited malarkey and willfully forfeited my Prog Reviewer position. Then I stopped writing reviews here completely.
It's like some jobs - the longer you do it, the more you get paid for doing it. Only instead of getting money, your album opinions are given marginally more weight.
I mean, I don't think the system is ludicrous, even if I don't care about it one way or another. Why let some young, illiterate nobody with closed-minded tastes and mediocre writing abilities dictate our useless lists? What is this place, All-Music Guide?
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: October 03 2012 at 07:20 |
That may be wrong. But firstly: pretentious isn't the word I would use for it and secondly I'm not really sure I personally think its wrong. I certainly can't work up any sort of irritation about the fact that the folks responsible for the existence of this site's opinion is weighed higher than us trolls.
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progbethyname
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Posted: October 03 2012 at 07:32 |
^ I think the PA's top 100 may have a bit of a biased rating system because it's seems generational. That list to me looks like it was collaborated by a bunch of baby boomers. 
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thellama73
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Posted: October 03 2012 at 07:38 |
progbethyname wrote:
^ I think the PA's top 100 may have a bit of a biased rating system because it's seems generational. That list to me looks like it was collaborated by a bunch of baby boomers. |
How can a list of opinions be biased? If the classic prog albums are ranked high, it's because people love them. Baby boomers were around when Prog was in full swing, so they are naturally going to have an affinity for bands of that era. Also, everything made after 1989 is garbage, so there's that.
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: October 03 2012 at 08:19 |
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Alitaire - but it's not just based on how much you write and the quality of your work. The main factor for whether or not you get that status seems to be: do you write about the albums that the other collabs like!
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Alitare
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Posted: October 03 2012 at 08:26 |
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^Actually, I only wrote what I was interested in writing about at that time (A blend of Metallica, Savatage, Queensryche, Queen, Pink Floyd, Ayreon, Rainbow, Iron Maiden, maudlin of the Well, Devin Townsend, Mastodon, Atheist, Opeth, Renaissance, Comus, Jethro Tull, Styx, ELP and Genesis if I recall correctly). I've never been subjected to unfair treatment because of the albums I reviewed or did not review.
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thellama73
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Posted: October 03 2012 at 08:28 |
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He's just bitter because giving five stars to all of Dream Theater's albums is not sufficient to achieve Prog Reviewer status.
Edited by thellama73 - October 03 2012 at 08:28
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Alitare
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Posted: October 03 2012 at 08:40 |
I don't see why any of it matters. I chose to give up my prog reviewer status. I also chose to stop writing reviews specifically for this site. I still DO write 'em, but that's for my own personal use. I've written nearly 2,000 different album reviews in a folder I have saved on my computer. It acts as a sort of diary-with-a-purpose. That way I can vent to myself without bothering anyone with some obnoxious diary blog. As well I can write with any style I please - no profanity or 'good taste' filters. No genre or class regulations. That way I can feel as if my personal thoughts and feelings serve some practical purpose to myself, even within the context of a larger project.
Besides, anybody who'd rate any Dream Theater album higher than 4* should be forbidden the Prog Reviewer status (and taken out back old Yeller-like).
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Padraic
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Posted: October 03 2012 at 08:47 |
thellama73 wrote:
He's just bitter because giving five stars to all of Dream Theater's albums is not sufficient to achieve Prog Reviewer status.
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pianoman
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Posted: October 03 2012 at 09:00 |
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This thread spiraled out into ridiculousness.
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thellama73
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Posted: October 03 2012 at 09:13 |
pianoman wrote:
This thread spiraled out into ridiculousness. |
To be fair, it kind of started out that way too.
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The-time-is-now
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Posted: October 03 2012 at 09:17 |
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Maybe ELP are not as good as you think they are? |
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pianoman
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Posted: October 03 2012 at 09:29 |
thellama73 wrote:
pianoman wrote:
This thread spiraled out into ridiculousness. |
To be fair, it kind of started out that way too. |
truth. Completely random, but did anyone see that Godspeed You! Black Emperor has a new album out?
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thellama73
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Posted: October 03 2012 at 09:30 |
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pianoman
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Posted: October 03 2012 at 09:35 |
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Posted: October 03 2012 at 10:12 |
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You are right, OP. ELP in #75? Their only album in the top list should be at least in #67.
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: October 03 2012 at 10:25 |
Alitare wrote:
Besides, anybody who'd rate any Dream Theater album higher than 4* should be forbidden the Prog Reviewer status (and taken out back old Yeller-like). |
There it is. Exactly the kind of "some opinions matter more than others" pretentiousness that I hate around here.
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Alitare
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Posted: October 03 2012 at 10:30 |
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Oh, can't you stop being so stuffy? I'm obviously being facetious.
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On another note, I've never heard Big Big Train, and due to this thread, I'm gonna check them out. Who do they sound similar to?
