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The T 
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 Posted: September 18 2012 at 07:43 |
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I see many Europeans here mention religion. Now, there are reasons why I would definitely understand not voting for Romney. Religion is not one of them. It hasn't crossed my mind (and I think that of many American voters). I think the religious (anti-religious) fanatics here are others...
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Padraic
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Posted: September 18 2012 at 08:37 |
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I still don't know. Such a sorry pair of candidates. Part of me almost wants to stay home.
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Dean
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Posted: September 18 2012 at 08:49 |
One European
Many Europeans
Many + One Europeans
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rushfan4
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Posted: September 18 2012 at 08:52 |
 Padraic wrote:
I still don't know. Such a sorry pair of candidates. Part of me almost wants to stay home. |
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
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thellama73
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Posted: September 18 2012 at 08:54 |
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If I was an American, would I then vote for a religious fanatic? Hmm...let me see...hmm...hell noooooo!!! |
What does a candidate's religion have to do with anything? If you don't like his policies, fine, but that seems like as stupid a reason not to vote for someone as race or sexual orientation.
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AlexDOM
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Posted: September 18 2012 at 09:30 |
JS19 wrote:
I feel sorry for Americans. It's like voting for a complete moron or a complete idiot. It's like that every election.
I do happen to think that Romney will get elected though, and I'm afraid that would be the worst thing to happen to America in several decades. I just can't see how people could possibly be ok with the fact that he might lead your country. I dread to think where you'll be in 4 years.
Obama? I'm not sure. He seems like an awful lot less of an idiot than Romney. He won't f*** over the poor as much (still will), and might do some good stuff. I can't see the US going places in that time though. It's almost like delaying the election 4 years.
I would vote Obama if I was American but I'd also curse the idiotic state of our politics and wonder why people haven't picked up that being so right wing is moronic and their needs to be left wing politics for social development. |
Can some one please give me an example of a presidential race when both party presidental candidates where not idiots...
Edited by AlexDOM - September 18 2012 at 09:31
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AlexDOM
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Posted: September 18 2012 at 09:42 |
aginor wrote:
im a socialist / (actualy im a social democrat ) but both Obama and Romeny is so far to the right and Romney is so far right it gives me chills, so faaar of what Norwegian Labour party stands for,
social democracy would be a winner for United States,
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Can you explain to me how social democracy would be a winner for the United States and how it would better it, I'm curious...
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thellama73
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Posted: September 18 2012 at 09:57 |
AlexDOM wrote:
Can some one please give me an example of a presidential race when both party presidental candidates where not idiots...
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1888 and 1892. Grover Cleveland vs. Benjamin Harrison.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: September 18 2012 at 10:08 |
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JS19
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Posted: September 18 2012 at 11:17 |
AlexDOM wrote:
JS19 wrote:
I feel sorry for Americans. It's like voting for a complete moron or a complete idiot. It's like that every election.
I do happen to think that Romney will get elected though, and I'm afraid that would be the worst thing to happen to America in several decades. I just can't see how people could possibly be ok with the fact that he might lead your country. I dread to think where you'll be in 4 years.
Obama? I'm not sure. He seems like an awful lot less of an idiot than Romney. He won't f*** over the poor as much (still will), and might do some good stuff. I can't see the US going places in that time though. It's almost like delaying the election 4 years.
I would vote Obama if I was American but I'd also curse the idiotic state of our politics and wonder why people haven't picked up that being so right wing is moronic and their needs to be left wing politics for social development. |
Can some one please give me an example of a presidential race when both party presidental candidates where not idiots...
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Bill Clinton vs George W Bush
Although Bush had enough idiocy for both of them so it doesn't really count...
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Bosh66
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Posted: September 18 2012 at 11:23 |
[QUOTE=The T]I see many Europeans here mention religion. Now, there are reasons why I would definitely understand not voting for Romney. Religion is not one of them. It hasn't crossed my mind (and I think that of many American voters). I think the religious (anti-religious) fanatics here are others...[/QUOTE
My comment wasn't to suggest people should or shouldn't vote for Mitt because of his religious beliefs. I agree it's irrelevant. I'd happily vote for an atheist, a muslim or a mormon. I just find it suggestive of hypocrisy given his recent comments on the 47% of voters (that number must have been a throw away) that he feels he needn't worry about given they're a bunch of dependent, work-shy worthless scroungers?! Perhaps he didn't mean this at all (which I'm not sure I believe).
Religion aside, it comes down to political values. This ne-con libertarianism with its redistribution upwards would be the big turn off for me. Good job I don't have a vote then!
Edited by Bosh66 - September 18 2012 at 11:25
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manofmystery
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Posted: September 18 2012 at 11:25 |
This, on an extremely small scale, illustrates why I put good money on Obama winning re-election: the democrats simply have a larger base of sheeple.
It's no secret that I have zero respect for anyone who votes for either Obama and Romney. Sharing their proclaimed beliefs is foolish enough but taking the extra step of ignoring that they are just blowing smoke up your ass about said beliefs is just loathsome. Obama has ruled as George W. Bush II and Romney would simply be an extension. Both are owned by bankers and carry foreign and civil-rights policies that are the stuff of Dick Cheney's wet dreams. Obama has killed more people, though, if you're into that sort of thing.
Was hoping when this poll popped up (had to eventually) it would read like the ballot in 48-50 states (b*****d republicans still pushing to remove Johnson in a few states):
Barack Obama
Mitt Romney
Gary Johnson
Will be voting for Gary Johnson and collecting on a few bets when Obama wins re-election.
Edited by manofmystery - September 18 2012 at 11:29
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AlexDOM
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Posted: September 18 2012 at 11:43 |
thellama73 wrote:
AlexDOM wrote:
Can some one please give me an example of a presidential race when both party presidental candidates where not idiots...
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1888 and 1892. Grover Cleveland vs. Benjamin Harrison.
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Why them? What are your reasons?
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: September 18 2012 at 11:43 |
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As a European I will vote for Obama as I heard the other one thinks we couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery.
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thellama73
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Posted: September 18 2012 at 11:50 |
AlexDOM wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
AlexDOM wrote:
Can some one please give me an example of a presidential race when both party presidental candidates where not idiots...
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1888 and 1892. Grover Cleveland vs. Benjamin Harrison.
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Why them? What are your reasons? |
Well, I am not much of a fan of Harrison, because he believed in protectionism in the form of Tariffs and he passed the anti-trust Sherman Act, but Cleveland is my favorite president. He was pro free trade and against government subsidies to prop up American business. He wrote a very eloquent rejection of a bill sent to him on agriculture subsidies. He also used his veto pen more often than any other president, believing that congress was exceeding the proper role of the U.S. government. We have not had a president so committed to classical liberal principles since him (although Taft wasn't too bad.)
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Padraic
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Posted: September 18 2012 at 12:05 |
JS19 wrote:
AlexDOM wrote:
JS19 wrote:
I feel sorry for Americans. It's like voting for a complete moron or a complete idiot. It's like that every election.
I do happen to think that Romney will get elected though, and I'm afraid that would be the worst thing to happen to America in several decades. I just can't see how people could possibly be ok with the fact that he might lead your country. I dread to think where you'll be in 4 years.
Obama? I'm not sure. He seems like an awful lot less of an idiot than Romney. He won't f*** over the poor as much (still will), and might do some good stuff. I can't see the US going places in that time though. It's almost like delaying the election 4 years.
I would vote Obama if I was American but I'd also curse the idiotic state of our politics and wonder why people haven't picked up that being so right wing is moronic and their needs to be left wing politics for social development. |
Can some one please give me an example of a presidential race when both party presidental candidates where not idiots...
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Bill Clinton vs George W Bush
Although Bush had enough idiocy for both of them so it doesn't really count... |
Do you mean Bush the elder, George H.W. Bush? 1992?
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ClemofNazareth
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Posted: September 18 2012 at 12:57 |
This will be my 9th presidential election. I've never voted for a Republican and won't this time either, although I've often voted 3rd party. Romney's recently exposed comments reveal something about his view of the world that most of us already knew, and he will have a tough time hiding from those views as we near the finish line. It will only take a few days for the press to dissect his 47% comment and point out that nearly half the 'deadbeat' non-taxpayers he refers to are elderly, retired folks who don't pay taxes because they are on Social Security and/or are poor with little or no income. Another one-third are people who do work, but don't make enough money to justify their paying federal income taxes, although they do have payroll taxes deducted and they pay state, county and local payroll taxes as well as property taxes if they own homes. The Social Security / Medicare bunch should certainly not be considered deadbeats on the government dole since they are simply reaping the benefits of the taxes they paid into those programs for decades. And Romney is a moron if he doesn't realize that huge numbers of those people are conservatives who will probably vote for him despite the fact he took a verbal piss on them. As for the working poor who get their payroll taxes refunded at the end of the year, blame the Republicans if blame is necessary. They're the ones who passed the child tax credit act that led to people being able to claim significant income deductions based on the number of kids they have. Kind of hypocrisy for Romney to debase people who legally don't pay taxes when he won't reveal his own tax history and openly stashes money in offshore accounts to avoid paying more taxes himself. All politics aside, I couldn't stomach voting for someone of such questionable and sociopathic character.
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
Albert Camus
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CPicard
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Posted: September 18 2012 at 13:05 |
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Obama having Irish origins, and myself having Briton origins, I strongly encourage the American citizen to vote for this Celtic candidate.
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refugee
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Posted: September 18 2012 at 13:06 |
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Even if I think Obama has been a disappointment, I would choose him over Romney without hesitation.
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He say nothing is quite what it seems;
I say nothing is nothing
(Peter Hammill)
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: September 18 2012 at 13:14 |
Ruff Ruffffff (Not Romney)
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