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Posted: August 17 2012 at 14:04
Blacksword wrote:
Sheavy wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
mongofa wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
Meg White. To be honest I was never sure what the point of the White Stripes was. I just didn't get it. Simon King from Hawkwind should probably be on the list. He's pretty bad, certainly when compared to other prog drummers. Lars Ulrich? Really? I always thought he was pretty good. Not the best in his field, I guess, but certainly no light weight.
What do you mean by you don't get the "point"? Does a band have to have a "point"?
I guess not. I just couldn't hear whatever it was that won them such critical acclaim.
Besides bringing garage rock/blues back into the limelight with great songs and a great guitarist?
Jack White also has a very distinct tone. Very raw and energetic. Like he is torturing his guitar, and I really like.
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Posted: August 17 2012 at 21:14
lucas wrote:
infocat wrote:
Lol Tolhurst almost single-handedly ruined Seventeen Seconds.
That's a great album in my opinion. But indeed drums are not the highllight here, you could obtain the same effect with a drum machine. But the music aimed to be "cold" from this album on, so maybe that was the effect sought after. Lol's drumming improved a lot on 'faith' and 'pornography'.
Yeah, I should have said "single-handedly almost", because other than the drumming it is a very good album indeed. I do agree that it seems it might have at least been a somewhat intentional sound, as I have a hard time believing that Smith didn't like it but published it anyway. Oh well!
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Posted: August 17 2012 at 22:08
Sheavy wrote:
Fox On The Rocks wrote:
A lot of the drummers on this list shouldn't be here, in my opinion. Lars? Really? I mean, I'm not big on Metallica at all, I used to be, but Lars is actually a pretty decent drummer and he perfectly suits Metallica (as stated before). As I remembered though, he created some pretty powerhouse thrash beats and he was surely promoted the now famous double bass foot technique to legions of young drummers. I can understand not liking his style, but he's actually quite technically proficient and an important drummer in the history of rock.
Well I think he used to be pretty good, but he isn't too great now methinks. He is the Ringo Starr or thrash. Many hate him and think he sucks, but he really isn't a bad drummer.
One thing that I really dislike about his drumming on their thrash metal albums is the volume of the fills seems to fluctuate seemingly inadvertently. I don't mind dynamics and expression from a drummer, rather I'd welcome them but the way Lars was doing it didn't sound appropriate and suggested a lack of control. From amongst drummers of the more well known thrash metal bands, he's one of the worst imo. Lombardo, Cavalera, Samuelson, Nick Menza, Hoglan were all better. But overall, yes, I don't think he's one of the worst rock drummers ever and he's pretty decent.
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Posted: August 18 2012 at 02:58
This idea isn't entirely fair. Sometimes it's the wrong drummer for a particular band, ie, the chemistry is wrong, not the guy/girl. Most drummers/musicians who get as far as the top level of the music business have to have quality to get there in the first place.
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Posted: August 21 2012 at 00:50
infocat wrote:
lucas wrote:
infocat wrote:
Lol Tolhurst almost single-handedly ruined Seventeen Seconds.
That's a great album in my opinion. But indeed drums are not the highllight here, you could obtain the same effect with a drum machine. But the music aimed to be "cold" from this album on, so maybe that was the effect sought after. Lol's drumming improved a lot on 'faith' and 'pornography'.
Yeah, I should have said "single-handedly almost", because other than the drumming it is a very good album indeed. I do agree that it seems it might have at least been a somewhat intentional sound, as I have a hard time believing that Smith didn't like it but published it anyway. Oh well!
Wot? i love the minimal drum style on 17 seconds!! basically its that post punk repetitive style and i love the drums on records by Wire, Joy division, the first 2 PIL albums......minimal is maximal
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Posted: August 21 2012 at 08:06
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Mick Pointer is the Nick Mason of Neo-prog.
That is far more accurate than it has any right to be.
He provides a beat for the song. Sometimes he plays 4/4 when the others play 3/4. That is about all I can say.
He's not bad, but he's pretty uninteresting as a drummer.
Something I've noticed about Pointer is that even though his drumming is very basic he still makes it look as though it's really difficult and he's struggling to play it. He really doesn't look the part. I can't talk though, I'm not much of a drummer myself.
At least Mason was pretty individual, especially in the early years. And he had a brilliant 'tache back then too....
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Posted: August 21 2012 at 08:08
Roj M30 wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
JS19 wrote:
Mick Pointer is the Nick Mason of Neo-prog.
That is far more accurate than it has any right to be.
He provides a beat for the song. Sometimes he plays 4/4 when the others play 3/4. That is about all I can say.
He's not bad, but he's pretty uninteresting as a drummer.
Something I've noticed about Pointer is that even though his drumming is very basic he still makes it look as though it's really difficult and he's struggling to play it. He really doesn't look the part. I can't talk though, I'm not much of a drummer myself.
At least Mason was pretty individual, especially in the early years. And he had a brilliant 'tache back then too....
It isn't mentioned much, but the Drummer Stache is what really held together most bands in the 60s and 70s, despite inner turmoil. The Beatles, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin....
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Posted: August 22 2012 at 13:34
aginor wrote:
what is peoples opinions about Phil Rudds drumming?? is it good or bad
Phil Rudd is great for AC/DC - has a great groove and fit's perfectly. Not the most technical player of course but I can't imagine anyone doing it better than him.
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Posted: August 22 2012 at 13:45
richardh wrote:
I would go for Jet Black as he came across as quite lazy at a time when there were some exciting punk drummers like Rat Scabies and the guy in the Buzzcocks.That said I do like the Stranglers thanks to Greenfield and Jean Jacques Burnel.
Jet Black is actually a very good drummer - his timing is immaculate and although he's never gone for a technical approach some of his stuff is not as easy to play as it sounds.
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Posted: August 23 2012 at 23:56
aginor wrote:
The T wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
richardh wrote:
Ringo Starr was quite obviously a proficient drummer. You couldn't be playing that music and not be.
all four of them are undervalued as players-- clearly they were no Genesis but they were consummate professionals. Or perhaps I should say 'naturals'.
They were good music makers. They played profieciently enough. I'm sure if someone asks them to play some jazz the results would've been a big pile of fail. Nobody who ever thinks on the Beatles ever thinks "oh, technique!". But they could teach some much more technical bands a couple of lessons on songwriting.
Who would be the best instrumentalist there? Harrison?
I would say overall McCartney is the best musician, Harrison the best soloist, and powerhouse, and Lennon the most profound and clearest musical tallent, and most distinct voice, siner, though Paul was more soulfull but Lennon have that timbre that hits your tear channal.
I think it would have to be Harrison, his perfectionism and level of technical prowess is so much better than anyone realizes it's actually hard to see. After I saw George Harrison:Living in the Material World it was quite clear.
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Posted: August 24 2012 at 07:56
Atavachron wrote:
aginor wrote:
The T wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
richardh wrote:
Ringo Starr was quite obviously a proficient drummer. You couldn't be playing that music and not be.
all four of them are undervalued as players-- clearly they were no Genesis but they were consummate professionals. Or perhaps I should say 'naturals'.
They were good music makers. They played profieciently enough. I'm sure if someone asks them to play some jazz the results would've been a big pile of fail. Nobody who ever thinks on the Beatles ever thinks "oh, technique!". But they could teach some much more technical bands a couple of lessons on songwriting.
Who would be the best instrumentalist there? Harrison?
I would say overall McCartney is the best musician, Harrison the best soloist, and powerhouse, and Lennon the most profound and clearest musical tallent, and most distinct voice, siner, though Paul was more soulfull but Lennon have that timbre that hits your tear channal.
I think it would have to be Harrison, his perfectionism and level of technical prowess is so much better than anyone realizes it's actually hard to see. After I saw George Harrison:Living in the Material World it was quite clear.
I don't much like McCartney's singing or songwriting (I have always loved the Lennon side of the band) but I have to admit that he is a great bass player. I would rank him as the best instrumentalist in the band.
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Posted: August 24 2012 at 08:31
Just wanted to chime in to say Ringo is an excellent drummer, his timing is impeccable. He always played to the song and had some very creative fills. I can't think of a better drummer for The Beatles.
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Posted: August 24 2012 at 12:50
thellama73 wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
aginor wrote:
The T wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
richardh wrote:
Ringo Starr was quite obviously a proficient drummer. You couldn't be playing that music and not be.
all four of them are undervalued as players-- clearly they were no Genesis but they were consummate professionals. Or perhaps I should say 'naturals'.
They were good music makers. They played profieciently enough. I'm sure if someone asks them to play some jazz the results would've been a big pile of fail. Nobody who ever thinks on the Beatles ever thinks "oh, technique!". But they could teach some much more technical bands a couple of lessons on songwriting.
Who would be the best instrumentalist there? Harrison?
I would say overall McCartney is the best musician, Harrison the best soloist, and powerhouse, and Lennon the most profound and clearest musical tallent, and most distinct voice, siner, though Paul was more soulfull but Lennon have that timbre that hits your tear channal.
I think it would have to be Harrison, his perfectionism and level of technical prowess is so much better than anyone realizes it's actually hard to see. After I saw George Harrison:Living in the Material World it was quite clear.
I don't much like McCartney's singing or songwriting (I have always loved the Lennon side of the band) but I have to admit that he is a great bass player. I would rank him as the best instrumentalist in the band.
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Posted: August 28 2012 at 10:38
After finally listening to The Shaggs, I'm convinced that Helen Wiggin was the Thomas Haake of her day. Just listen real close. She was flippin genius.
After finally listening to The Shaggs, I'm convinced that Helen Wiggin was the Thomas Haake of her day. Just listen real close. She was flippin genius.
Oh yeah, I can so see that. Just listen to her execute those polyrhythms!
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Posted: May 29 2014 at 15:04
You can add Ringo Starr to this list with Pete Best and also Mick Pointer (Marillion, Arena), John Mayhew, John Silver, Chris Stewart (if we can call them drummers), Clive Bunker etc...
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