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rogerthat 
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 Posted: May 26 2012 at 11:31 |
 FunkyHomoSapien wrote:
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FunkyHomoSapien wrote:
Disagree. Yes influenced Crimson, not the other way round, though Im sure Crimson's success had an impact on what Yes did afterwards too. |
Could you please elaborate how Yes influenced Crimson - and not the other way round? Because KC began earlier than Yes. And by the time Yes began to emerge out of KC's shadow and forge their own style, around CTTE, the Crimson King was already about to assemble a new lineup that would do something completely different from ITCOTCK or Yes.
On a related note, the influence of Yes and ELP is way overestimated and based more on their influence on symph prog, which is only one branch of prog and not necessarily the most important or typical or emblematic one at that.
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wrong - Yes came first by at least a year. The mistake you're making is following record releases. Robert Fripp, Greg Lake & co were well aware of Yes around London, particularly the Marquee long before Crimson. |
Yes only formed their band earlier. Fripp, Lake & Co may well have been aware of Yes - or 1-2-3 for that matter - but it is ultimately Heart of the Sunrise which evokes 21st Century Schizoid Man and not the other way round. The early Yes is not yet archetypal symph prog while ITCOTCK is and both Trespass and Fragile suggest the influence of KC. For that matter, Genesis predate both bands.
If we are only talking about something proggy here and not symph prog in particular, then Floyd, Zappa, Beatles, Doors, Jefferson Airplane all predate the so called 'classic' prog rock bands.
Edited by rogerthat - May 26 2012 at 11:33
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Posted: May 27 2012 at 00:53 |
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It's true that the stunning success of ITCOTCK must have made Yes and everyone else think again.
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rogerthat
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Posted: May 27 2012 at 00:54 |
resurrection wrote:
It's true that the stunning success of ITCOTCK must have made Yes and everyone else think again. |
My point exactly.
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Posted: May 27 2012 at 03:28 |
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Well this is actually a very difficult question to answer. I would start by saying that everyone is different in terms of their own personal journey through progressive music. And it's all about how much of the genre you're familiar with. I could be vague and mention groups like Genesis, Yes, King Crimson, ELP, Rush, Camel, Pink Floyd, Caravan. Check out the top 100 albums if you're really interested in getting into the pioneers of the genre. But in all honesty, I truly believe that listening to progressive music is about it's expansion than what bands are the most significant in the movement, I'm always checking out new groups and listen to many different prog bands depending on the mood i'm in.
Happy Listening to all!
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Long live progressive music!
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BaldFriede
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Posted: May 28 2012 at 12:13 |
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I am a bit surprised no-one mentioned Amon Düül 2. Their biggest influence is on Hawkwind of course,;as the band itself stated. It is not for nothing that they got Amon Düül 2 bass player Dave Anderson for their second album. And Hawkwind themselves influenced many other bands.
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FunkyHomoSapien
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Posted: June 06 2012 at 09:50 |
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Some of the Clouds fans irritate me, but 123 was the crucial influence on Nice, Yes, Crimson, no doubt.
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Posted: June 06 2012 at 16:01 |
Well, the most iconic prog band is Yes, it just pops up as the classic prog band. But the most influential is, I think, Crimson or Genesis. I think Genesis, though.
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DiamondDog
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Posted: June 07 2012 at 13:10 |
For me, Crimson was the band that brought this kind of music to mass perception. The argument/discussion about influences is another thing. For me, 1-2-3 is the major catalyst prior to that. On that subject, I always take seriously anything Dean has to say, but this link re 1-2-3 is at least food for thought. One thing that comes out of this (and quoted by Kevin Cann, Bowie's friend/biographer) is that Rick Wakeman was not initially keyboardist of choice, as apparently, Billy Ritchie refused Bowie several times (re Hunky Dory/Life on Mars) after a bust-up they had.
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resurrection
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Posted: June 11 2012 at 09:31 |
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A bit of a smug and pompous article (from that link). A shame, because the points made therein are important ones. The 1-2-3 claim to historical recognition is indeed already validated, though total acceptance among the wider public (and especially proggies) has still some way to go.
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Codera the Great
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Posted: July 01 2012 at 03:21 |
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King Crimson is probably the godfather of the entire movement from an objective standpoint. Genesis and Yes were highly influential, but even they were influenced by the early work that King Crimson had to offer the world.
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Cihan
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Posted: August 22 2012 at 01:18 |
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60's
The Beatles
King Crimson
Family
Frank Zappa
Procol Harum
70's
Yes
Emerson, Lake and Palmer
Caravan
Genesis
80's
RUSH
Marillion
I haven't really gone past late 70's in terms of prog, just the obvious ones like Anglagard and Wobbler.
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Posted: August 23 2012 at 04:31 |
'60s: King Crimson
'70s: Yes
'80s: Rush
'90s: Radiohead
'00s: Porcupine Tree
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Josh18293
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Posted: August 23 2012 at 21:56 |
Yes. Undoubtedly, Yes. Nobody can argue.
As a bassist, 2 words.....Chris Squire. It's probably hammered into your mind by now but he changed the sound of bass, it's role, and what you can do with it. Steve Howe. Pivotal. Wakeman....nuff said. Bruford and White were both amazing drummers. Anderson with those pitch perfect vocals. The band VERY CLOSE behind them is Rush.
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chanelonlie4
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Posted: August 23 2012 at 22:38 |
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This information is very useful for us, thank you! Besides, I would like to share my feeling now, because I am Spambot (edited by DX).
Edited by DamoXt7942 - August 24 2012 at 00:48
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Posted: August 24 2012 at 01:08 |
BaldFriede wrote:
I am a bit surprised no-one mentioned Amon Düül 2. Their biggest influence is on Hawkwind of course,;as the band itself stated. It is not for nothing that they got Amon Düül 2 bass player Dave Anderson for their second album. And Hawkwind themselves influenced many other bands. |
A lot of people still aren't as familiar with Germany's progressive as they ought to be. Eloy, Can, Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze, Kraftwerk, Falco, David Hasselhoff,* Nena and Rammstein = German music for a lot of peeps on this side of the pond.
(*that was a joke in the movie High Infidelity, starring Jon Cusack and Jack Black  )
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Posted: August 24 2012 at 01:19 |
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King Crimson. Pretty much the first truly prog band. Very popular, even now (but certainly not as much). Each incarnation was incredibly creative and inventive. The songs are composed so masterfully. And sited as influences for so many bands.
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: August 24 2012 at 05:29 |
chanelonlie4 wrote:
This information is very useful for us, thank you! Besides, I would like to share my feeling now, because I am Spambot (edited by DX).
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Haha, thank you DamoXt7942! That gave me a good laugh this morning!
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Posted: August 24 2012 at 10:44 |
dtguitarfan wrote:
chanelonlie4 wrote:
This information is very useful for us, thank you! Besides, I would like to share my feeling now, because I am Spambot (edited by DX).
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Haha, thank you DamoXt7942! That gave me a good laugh this morning!
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It's almost a shame he edited it, that one was actually kind of funny.
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aphelorah
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Posted: November 17 2012 at 21:53 |
60s: King Crimson, Frank Zappa 70s: Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis, Tangerine Dream 80s: Rush, Marillion, Talk Talk, Watchtower 90s: Dream Theater, Edge of Sanity, Tool, Radiohead 00s: Porcupine Tree, Riverside, ...?
I tried to list the bands with the widest scope of influence instead of simply a "best of" list, hence the inclusion of Watchtower (I don't enjoy them, but I think it's apparent that they had a huge influence on much of the prog metal of the 90s and 00s) and Talk Talk (they aren't classically proggy, but they started the Post Rock genre which influences a lot of modern prog). I included Edge of Sanity instead of Opeth since EOS came first and influenced Opeth pretty strongly.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: November 17 2012 at 23:38 |
Elvis Presley influenced Metal  ...............
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