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zeqexes
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Topic: Clean Vocals or Death Growl? (Modern Prog) Posted: September 21 2012 at 18:44 |
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I like both - but I think it depends on the song. In some songs, growling really works, others it doesn't, eg. the start of Harlequin Forest by Opeth would sound stupid with growling.
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bensommer
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Posted: September 21 2012 at 18:30 | |
My favorite bands that "get it right" on the voice/growl thing are:
They both use the growl to accentuate - not dominate - the song. Face it - the human voice isn't meant to scream constantly. It should be used to convey anger, rage, etc. Sparsely, preferably |
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RedNightmareKing
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Posted: September 16 2012 at 15:49 | |
I enjoy both when used in context. Opeth is one of my favorite bands, and I can easily tolerate the growls and clean vocals, because they definitely complement the music. As for post-metal, clean vocals really can't do the atmosphere justice. The yelling works out well. The darker side of unclean vocals is like screamo. I cannot, absolutely cannot stand the whiny wannabe growls and yelling attempts. Ugh. But in prog, growls are pretty relevant when used in a melodic sense. Clean vocals... well, everybody enjoys those, jeeze.
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Legit
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Posted: September 13 2012 at 18:11 | |
I like both. I prefer a band that utilizes multiple vocal types (male/female, extreme/melodic singing, etc) rather than just one type of vocals.
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Josef_K
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Posted: September 13 2012 at 18:00 | |
I can't stand growling, though I have forced myself to respect it I guess. It's not as bad as commercial music being made without any emotional attachements of course, but it's nothing I'd listen to.
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progbethyname
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Posted: September 13 2012 at 12:22 | |
I would say BURTON C. BELL of FEAR FACTORY is a great mix of both death growl and the soft conveted choir boy approach. |
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HemispheresOfXanadu
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Posted: September 13 2012 at 10:04 | |
I've tried some Opeth, and while I think the growls are impressive, I can't get into it as easily, even in songs with both growls and clean vocals.
So, regular singing for me.
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frantic
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Posted: September 13 2012 at 06:21 | |
Any type of vocal used correctly is ok with me. Growl needs courage btw, on live performances we may see unlucky moments sometimes (like Mastodon though I like them). I think if you can't stand growl vocals you are missing a lot in your prog life.
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rogerthat
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Posted: August 18 2012 at 22:32 | |
It is a very subjective question. Because the objective answer is that anybody who is not tone deaf can sing. Carrying a tune is really not a big deal at all, unless the melody is really complicated. But I have never heard an out and out growler whose melodic singing I could enjoy very much in its own right. Yeah, not even Akerfeldt. I honestly find his melodic singing very dull and boring. Mastodon sort of mix aggressive hard rock/heavy metal singing with occasional harsh vocals and I have maintained that that's a much better approach. Extreme consonance and dissonance in juxtaposition is usually a very awkward combination (not saying there's no way it can work, never say never). Leaving Patton out of this, who is a master of many vocal techniques, harsh and otherwise.
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Ambient Hurricanes
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Posted: August 18 2012 at 20:50 | |
If they use proper harsh vocal technique, then yes. |
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NotAProghead
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Posted: August 18 2012 at 20:47 | |
Sounds like singer suffers from constipation.
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NotAProghead
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Posted: August 18 2012 at 20:38 | |
I know, my comment was a joke.
Do you mean any growler can sing?
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Ambient Hurricanes
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Posted: August 18 2012 at 16:29 | |
Growling and other harsh vocals actually require a great deal of training, that is, if you want to do them without destroying your voice. You have to go through the entire process of learning singing technique, and then apply that to harsh vocals. There are professional instructors who specialize in teaching harsh vocals, and there's actually a DVD out called "The Art of Screaming" which goes through all the technique and everything required to do some brutal and varied harsh vocals without blowing your vocal chords out.
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lucas
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Posted: August 18 2012 at 16:02 | |
I can't imagine this song with clean vocals :
I think the vocals fit perfectly the music.
In the field of extreme metal, I think the vocoder used on Cynic's 'Focus' ruined the album : this was a failed attempt to mix growls with "cleaner" vocals. Processed/clean vocals work better for me in Fear Factory's 'Demanufacture' . Edited by lucas - August 18 2012 at 16:03 |
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Zargasheth
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Posted: August 18 2012 at 15:05 | |
I have to say that growled vocals are actually one of the few musical elements I just can't stand. So clean is definitely what I'd prefer.
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CPicard
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Posted: August 18 2012 at 13:59 | |
Pfff, rubbish comment. Not everyone can growl. Some fans of old-school death-metal complain about "pig squealings" from youngsters who just can't growl. One needs some training if he/she wants to growl. Moreover, when reading the posts and comments in this thread, it doesn't seem that "the whole world's at [one's] feet" if the vocals are of the "Growling" type. The future belongs to auto-tuned vocals. |
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NotAProghead
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Posted: August 18 2012 at 11:46 | |
I think future belongs to growls. Who wants to spend best years of their lives for studying singing? It's too boring.
Growl, fart and roll - and the whole world's at your feet.
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Sympathy Orchestra
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Posted: August 18 2012 at 10:38 | |
I can't stand the cookie monster vocals at all. I love Opeth's Damnation, but I can't listen to Blackwater Park etc. The music is fantastic, but the vocals just ruin it for me.
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Prog Sothoth
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Posted: August 18 2012 at 06:24 | |
Generally I like growls and screeches if they're ferocious and fit with the music (Immolation, Fen), but I also really dig clean female singing in metal regardless of tone (as long as she's got talent), whether it's Madder Mortem, Edenbridge or Krypteria. At the same time, I'm not big on combining the two as much for that 'Beauty and the Beast' effect. I don't mind some of it, but the contrast comes across as silly sounding much of the time.
Edited by Prog Sothoth - August 18 2012 at 06:24 |
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CPicard
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Posted: August 17 2012 at 12:05 | |
Wrong, my young friend! Mike Oldfield did it 10 years before, with his famous "Piltdown Man" vocals on the second part of Tubular Bells. By the way, had anyone managed to decipher what he's singing? I only understand something like "Shodonowa dowanogo"... |
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