Atheism won, but feel free to debate anyway

JJLehto wrote: And it was a close battle....but eventually a winner pulled out. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN: ATHEISM WINS

progresssaurus wrote: JJLehto wrote: You all failed anyway. It was written down in the good book that the answer is 42   Writtem by Douglas Noel Adams, which "described himself as a radical atheist, adding radical for emphasis so he would not be asked if he meant agnostic" ?   :-)

And?

The answer to life is still 42

Deathspell Omega are Satanists but I still like their music.

JJLehto wrote: You all failed anyway. It was written down in the good book that the answer is 42

JJLehto wrote: Dean wrote: JJLehto wrote: Well here's the thing Dean. When I say "based on faith" I totally get why Atheists lose their sh*t. I think it's misunderstanding..... I mean it as literally, you are choosing to believe that. I am sorry, but there's no other way to spin in. You, nor no one knows there is no god. Likewise no one knows there is one. Either side can is ultimately choosing to believe what they do, based on what is enough for them. It's funny because I am obviously much closer to atheism to any organized religion, (and certainly Christianity). Even on the days I decide I believe in a god it's not the "normal" one, and sometimes I doubt there is anything at all. So it's not even like I'm still clinging to some antique idea that we need the big dude up there. You can say it until you are blue in the face, it won't change anything. Atheism is not based on faith - you are just playing with words to piss people off and I can dig that, but an atheist does not have to believe anything _ I don't have to believe in the Big-bang or evolution to be an atheist, I don't need faith to deny the existence of the Tooth Fairy or Harry Potter - I don't need to know anything to accept that - I do know for a fact that Harry Potter was written by JK Rowling, I do suspect that the character was based upon another story of an orphaned school boy wizard in glasses with a scar, but I don't know that somewhere along the way a real Harry Potter did not exist, but it is unlikely - the most plausible explanation is he was invented by a writer of fiction. Theists may get angry at that analogy but it's the same thing and requires no faith to say it. Well here's where you f**king piss me off. That's all fine, but I am god damn sick of "trolling" You didn't use the word, but why is it impossible to accept I actually....tada...believe this? I may be wrong, clearly I am to you but I'm not trying to piss anyone off. I have other ways to do that. Whenever I say atheism is a religion, or that its just depressed people THAT is when I'm trying to piss people off. So I guess I can no longer use either on PA... Also I'm not a theist, that's why I'm agnostic

Tadah!

Hey it's true!

I could get if someone wants to maybe say "Hey god, this is a beautiful day, and nature is an amazing thing...thanks" but this worship thing is silly. I was semi being funny but really the best way to put it is "God is a selfish jerk!"


Also something I've thought about is how a lot of Christians tend to make god human like. I guess we can't help it...but I'll ask "Why hasn't god answered all of my prayers" some have actually said: "Well there's a lot, he can't do it all"    What kind of being of infinite power and intelligence is that??

Or that god demands we worship him, pretty arrogant for a being of pure love and beyond our words eh?

It's why Deism was appealing to me. God is just chilling there, and since we were given intelligence and the ability to solver our problems, we don't need to pray to anything. We certainly don't need to be at a formal church, praising him with the $10 in hand

Oh zooks you made be all serious.
You are a divine being Grape Jam.

frippism wrote: Grape_Jam wrote: JJLehto wrote: You are being waaaaay too open minded Anyway you're speaking about god...I'm speaking about closed minded Christians. Worshipping is weird to me anyway. What a selfish jerk god is! It's why deism makes sense to me. If there is this supreme being on infinite everything it'd be above forcing us lowly humans to worship him. Also I liked the idea "setting the universe in motion" and non intervention. It makes sense to me. I'm not positive though about it Maybe I am. *shrugs* And I know you're speaking about close minded Christians, but I'm speaking about god.   You won't believe just how many times I have thought those exact words "What a selfish jerk god is!" myself I don't get the whole "be thankful to God for what he gave to you" concept. Why did he give us those things in the first place, just to have us worship him?   Hey, maybe all this religion stuff is just an experiment on the humans to see how stupid they can be. And maybe even the prophets themselves were in on it. yeahh I kinda think God has a really dark sense of humor and just chooses to f**k with us.

That would make him the coolest thing in the Universe.

JJLehto wrote: Well here's the thing Dean. When I say "based on faith" I totally get why Atheists lose their sh*t. I think it's misunderstanding..... I mean it as literally, you are choosing to believe that. I am sorry, but there's no other way to spin in. You, nor no one knows there is no god. Likewise no one knows there is one. Either side can is ultimately choosing to believe what they do, based on what is enough for them. It's funny because I am obviously much closer to atheism to any organized religion, (and certainly Christianity). Even on the days I decide I believe in a god it's not the "normal" one, and sometimes I doubt there is anything at all. So it's not even like I'm still clinging to some antique idea that we need the big dude up there.

JJLehto wrote: You are being waaaaay too open minded Anyway you're speaking about god...I'm speaking about closed minded Christians. Worshipping is weird to me anyway. What a selfish jerk god is! It's why deism makes sense to me. If there is this supreme being on infinite everything it'd be above forcing us lowly humans to worship him. Also I liked the idea "setting the universe in motion" and non intervention. It makes sense to me. I'm not positive though about it

Maybe I am. *shrugs*

JJLehto wrote: Grape_Jam wrote: I think Agnosticism, because in the end, none of us really knows whether God exists or not, so we might as well not bother ourselves with it. Actually, that is more or less what I say. I'm glad to hear it too because people  can't wrap their head around "we cant know" . While you can gather all the evidence you need ultimately, it is a decision made on faith. Atheists ALWAYS always think I'm trolling, (I guess since they cant grasp it) but I still Atheism is a choice made on faith. Because while I certainly do understand why someone can say there's no god, no one knows that and it's impossible to know. Then I get laughed at usually, people tend to find it silly. I guess no matter what you believe it's important to believe in something and this middle ground IDC mentality is weird. Anywho, I still swing between Deist and Atheist, so I have no idea. You said...best not to bother ourselves with it.

I still say you're incorrect, but since we live in a world were some clown in antiquity put the idea into people's heads that a god did this that or the other it is impossible to remove that basic notion from our subconscious. Because that is all it is - it is just an idea that all this clever stuff in the Universe is too complicated to have just "been" and could not possibly (really?) have happened by accident so may have been created by some other being, whose one existence, by some contradicting quirk of logic, requires no explanation or meta-creator. And that's where it all falls to pieces in your hands unless you arrive at the conclusion that, (regardless of what or how the Universe came into being and regardless of what or how that Universe coagulated into stars and planets and regardless of how on one of those planets orbiting one of those stars life came into being and regardless of how that life evolved into a sentient life form that could ponder its own existence), all these explanations and justifications that we have are only the invention of that sentient life-form that infests this planet. What we have yet to decide or fathom or deduce is which of these are the most likely to be probable. So far we seem to have ruled out pantheon-ism and giant turtles.

Edited by Dean - July 04 2012 at 12:47