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raeloneq 
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 Topic: Is there a way to add Trevor Rabin as an artist?
Posted: June 30 2012 at 12:42 |
Hello,
Just wondering if the site can add Trevor Rabin as an artist to the site. I know his early stuff is really pop, but his last album is a must for prog fans and deserves at least to be recognized.
Thanks
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lazland
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Posted: June 30 2012 at 13:21 |
He has already been suggested:
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 30 2012 at 13:33 |
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No way.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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twosteves
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Posted: June 30 2012 at 16:19 |
 Slartibartfast wrote:
No way.
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Agree! 
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octopus-4
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Posted: June 30 2012 at 16:39 |
raeloneq wrote:
Hello,
Just wondering if the site can add Trevor Rabin as an artist to the site. I know his early stuff is really pop, but his last album is a must for prog fans and deserves at least to be recognized.
Thanks |
There's a specific forum for the suggestions that's monitored by the teams. I think you can post there. If you have samples of the last album and it is really prog, you may succeed.
A rejected artist can't be suggested again unless a new release can make people change their mind. You are speaking of a new release so it may be the case.
Find youtube samples to post and let's see what happens.
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lucas
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Posted: June 30 2012 at 16:50 |
raeloneq wrote:
Hello,
Just wondering if the site can add Trevor Rabin as an artist to the site. I know his early stuff is really pop, but his last album is a must for prog fans and deserves at least to be recognized.
Thanks |
Asia is here, but they play AOR, just like Trevor Rabin.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 01 2012 at 09:11 |
twosteves wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
No way.
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Agree! |
Dude, you were like so totally supposed to say "way". 
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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octopus-4
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Posted: July 01 2012 at 09:13 |
 just 1 more to be prog....
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progresssaurus
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Posted: July 01 2012 at 09:46 |
raeloneq wrote:
Hello,
Just wondering if the site can add Trevor Rabin as an artist to the site. I know his early stuff is really pop, but his last album is a must for prog fans and deserves at least to be recognized.
Thanks |
Yes, I like album Jacaranda. It is his 2nd prog album by me. This one a little jazzy but very good.
Edited by progresssaurus - July 01 2012 at 10:10
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altaeria
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 12:56 |
Why would somebody reading ProgArchives be interested in checking out
any reviews about a guy who essentially guided the band YES for a decade? 
There's plenty of Extreme Tech Metal acts and Raga Rock albums here for all the "real" Prog fans to consider first ! 
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octopus-4
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 14:02 |
altaeria wrote:
Why would somebody reading ProgArchives be interested in checking out
any reviews about a guy who essentially guided the band YES for a decade?
There's plenty of Extreme Tech Metal acts and Raga Rock albums here
for all the "real" Prog fans to consider first !
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Let's clarify one thing: TRevor Rabin has guided YES for a decade as wellas Phil Collins has guided GENESIS. None of the two is on PA. Collins doesn't have any prog solo output, Rabin didn't until the last albums that I don't know, that's why I think he can be re-evaluated.
Annie Haslam is not on PA, David Gilmour is prog-related only and I don't think Greg Lake is here as well, just to mention some.
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Gerinski
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 14:51 |
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I only have Can't Look Away and I like the album, OK not fully-fledged prog but if it was up to me enough for pog-related. I haven't heard any other album though so my point of view is surely incomplete.
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octopus-4
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 15:12 |
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I have only 90124, maybe prog but quite poor.
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Andy Webb
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 15:52 |
altaeria wrote:
There's plenty of Extreme Tech Metal acts
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Whoa buddy.
Don't go there.
There are plenty of extreme tech prog metal acts. Quite a big difference.
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Sheavy
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 16:44 |
Andy Webb wrote:
altaeria wrote:
There's plenty of Extreme Tech Metal acts
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Whoa buddy.
Don't go there.
There are plenty of extreme tech prog metal acts. Quite a big difference. |
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altaeria
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Posted: July 03 2012 at 08:58 |
octopus-4 wrote:
Let's clarify one thing: TRevor Rabin has guided YES for a decade as wellas Phil Collins has guided GENESIS. None of the two is on PA. Collins doesn't have any prog solo output, Rabin didn't until the last albums that I don't know, that's why I think he can be re-evaluated.
Annie Haslam is not on PA, David Gilmour is prog-related only and I don't think Greg Lake is here as well, just to mention some. |
So it's up to me to listen to all the music released by these iconic prog-related solo artists and find out whether or not they play anything resembling their band material. That's fine... but it kinda defeats the purpose of this site to some extent. I'm sure there are plenty of YES or GENESIS fans that are curious to read other people's opinions about the solo albums before buying any albums. I suppose that's why I end up referring to Amazon reviews more these days. PS: The song SLUDGE from Trevor Rabin's CAN'T LOOK AWAY album sounds more like traditional PROG ROCK than probably about 30% of the material listed on this site. Of course, I'm old... so my view of "Prog Rock" is antiquated anyway.
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octopus-4
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Posted: July 03 2012 at 09:18 |
altaeria wrote:
octopus-4 wrote:
Let's clarify one thing: TRevor Rabin has guided YES for a decade as wellas Phil Collins has guided GENESIS. None of the two is on PA. Collins doesn't have any prog solo output, Rabin didn't until the last albums that I don't know, that's why I think he can be re-evaluated.
Annie Haslam is not on PA, David Gilmour is prog-related only and I don't think Greg Lake is here as well, just to mention some. |
So it's up to me to listen to all the music released by these iconic prog-related solo artists
and find out whether or not they play anything resembling their band material.
That's fine... but it kinda defeats the purpose of this site to some extent.
I'm sure there are plenty of YES or GENESIS fans that are curious to read
other people's opinions about the solo albums before buying any albums.
I suppose that's why I end up referring to Amazon reviews more these days.
PS:
The song SLUDGE from Trevor Rabin's CAN'T LOOK AWAY album sounds more like
traditional PROG ROCK than probably about 30% of the material listed on this site.
Of course, I'm old... so my view of "Prog Rock" is antiquated anyway.
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It's up to us everybody to listen to what we like. We have forums on PA on which we can discuss of everything even when not strictly prog. Give a look to the forum's page.
We have Howe, Squire, Bruford, Anderson, Hackett, Rutherford, Gabriel and a lot of other "solos". Up to now nobody in the site admins has found the solo works of Collins and Rabin "prog enough", that's all. It doesn't mean that discussing of an album not listed is forbidden. The disucssions are free, only they will not appear as proper reviews. There's a specific forum section for them.
Amazon or rateyourmusic are the reasons why this site is more restrictive with the additions. We don't want to be clones, and respect to Amazon, we don't sell goods (at least I don't).
However, the process that we have adopted for ANY artist's inclusion is:
1) create a thread in the section "Suggest new bands and artists" 2) Attach the link to some samples to support your decision. 3) Collabs monitoring the site will bring the suggestion to the relative team (there's a team for each subgenre) 4) They will evaluate the suggestion and decide whether to include, reject, or move to another team.
A rejected artist can be proposed again if there's a new release which makes it more suitable for the site's standards.
If you click on the links to the subgenres on the home page you'll find the definitions of each subgenre.
I suppose that you think to suggest Rabin as symphonic prog, but I may be wrong. State the subgenre in your suggestion.
I have had a number of rejected suggestions during the years, the last one yesterday (Claudio Milano for JR/F), I have struggled about three years to see the TUATHA DE DANANN added. This is how it works.
Dig a bit more in the site, I' hope you'll enjoy it.
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Smurph
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Posted: July 03 2012 at 09:28 |
altaeria wrote:
octopus-4 wrote:
Let's clarify one thing: TRevor Rabin has guided YES for a decade as wellas Phil Collins has guided GENESIS. None of the two is on PA. Collins doesn't have any prog solo output, Rabin didn't until the last albums that I don't know, that's why I think he can be re-evaluated.
Annie Haslam is not on PA, David Gilmour is prog-related only and I don't think Greg Lake is here as well, just to mention some. |
So it's up to me to listen to all the music released by these iconic prog-related solo artists
and find out whether or not they play anything resembling their band material.
That's fine... but it kinda defeats the purpose of this site to some extent.
I'm sure there are plenty of YES or GENESIS fans that are curious to read
other people's opinions about the solo albums before buying any albums.
I suppose that's why I end up referring to Amazon reviews more these days.
PS:
The song SLUDGE from Trevor Rabin's CAN'T LOOK AWAY album sounds more like
traditional PROG ROCK than probably about 30% of the material listed on this site.
Of course, I'm old... so my view of "Prog Rock" is antiquated anyway.
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No need to get so angry dude.
There are a lot of artists on this site that many don't agree with, and a lot that aren't on this site that many don't agree with. We try to come together and make the best decisions about it. I mean, if a group of people don't share your opinion, that's no reason to get mad.
When I first started on this site, I felt like the "prog" definition was like a badge or something. Pretty much every band I like I end up thinking they are at least "prog-related." But they aren't always. And ya just gotta deal with it. No biggie. Enjoy the music anyway. :-D
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raeloneq
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Posted: July 03 2012 at 15:22 |
I appreciate the responses and for moving this thread to the correct place.
I do admit that Trevor Rabin is not the most proggy artist. I was just wanting to expose people to his new album, which I consider very proggy and it's also a delight to hear.
Thanks for hearing me out and hope Trevor comes out with some more albums that could maybe make him a member of this wonderful site.
Thanks!!!
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JS19
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Posted: July 04 2012 at 07:51 |
altaeria wrote:
octopus-4 wrote:
Let's clarify one thing: TRevor Rabin has guided YES for a decade as wellas Phil Collins has guided GENESIS. None of the two is on PA. Collins doesn't have any prog solo output, Rabin didn't until the last albums that I don't know, that's why I think he can be re-evaluated.
Annie Haslam is not on PA, David Gilmour is prog-related only and I don't think Greg Lake is here as well, just to mention some. |
So it's up to me to listen to all the music released by these iconic prog-related solo artists
and find out whether or not they play anything resembling their band material.
That's fine... but it kinda defeats the purpose of this site to some extent.
I'm sure there are plenty of YES or GENESIS fans that are curious to read
other people's opinions about the solo albums before buying any albums.
I suppose that's why I end up referring to Amazon reviews more these days.
PS:
The song SLUDGE from Trevor Rabin's CAN'T LOOK AWAY album sounds more like
traditional PROG ROCK than probably about 30% of the material listed on this site.
Of course, I'm old... so my view of "Prog Rock" is antiquated anyway.
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This isn't 'prog that only altaeria deems acceptable as prog rock like that stuff I used to hear in the 70s not this new fangled stuff' archives. We've got a broad range of stuff here, no-one's forcing you to like it and listen to it, but that doesn't mean it has any less reason to be here.
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