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Originally posted by wellsfargo wellsfargo wrote:

I think you have that one backwards.

What I got backwards?
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Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Well thats settled it then.
Not only does my objective evaluation point in that direction, but also the objective votes in this poll. Somebody already mentioned Billboard's and Rolling Stone's results, so I guess we can use PA's too
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Points: 17847 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2012 at 22:54
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I think Pink Floyd is objectively better than The Beatles according to my own objective evaluation.
 
This thread should be closed now Smile
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Originally posted by mister nobody mister nobody wrote:

Have Beatles ever composed a song as good as Shine on? Or Echoes? Or Dogs? Have they ever thought of concepts such as Dark Side? Or the Wall?

My vote would go to the obvious.
 
Has Pink Floyd ever composed a song as many time signatures as "Happiness Is A Warm Gun" or a melody as compared to "Yesterday"  or as innovative as "Tomorrow Never Knows"? The Beatles were great pop/rock songwriters and many bands would take one aspect  in what the Beatles were doing and went with it. There are many examples of this for example Chicago basically got idea of their sound in listening to songs like "Got To Get You Into My Life" and "Good Morning Good Morning". Groups like Can, The Byrds, ELO and King Crimson formed after hearing  Beatles songs. Brian Wilson musically and lyrically went into a different direction after hearing Rubber Soul. As for Pink Floyd it's known fact that Syd Barrett spent the whole summer of 1966 listening to Revolver and took in many of the ideas on Revolver.
 
Now that doesn't make the Beatles better than any of those bands but you can make the argument the Beatles never really stayed with one particular style. I would say the Beatles were easily the greatest band in the rock genre in incorporating outside rock elements with strong cleverly written pop songs. It's a style that many bands have tried but most have struggled with and the Beatles seemed to have thrived with this. There are so many examples like "Strawberry Fields Forever", "A Day in the Life", "Eleanor Rigby", "Norwegian Wood", "I Am the Walrus" and the list goes on.
 
If you could pinpoint THE most innovative pop song ever written, "Tomorrow Never Knows"  would would on the short list, if not the winner. Not only is the sound/feel way ahead of its time, but the recording techniques completely revolutionized recording. The one-chord structure, using tape loops, putting John's voice through a Leslie speaker, the way the drums are recorded, these were all innovations created during the recording of this song. Love it or hate it, this invented modern rock.


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Exellent reply !!
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As I remember that the Beatles were more innovative.
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Originally posted by mister nobody mister nobody wrote:

Have Beatles ever composed a song as good as Shine on? Or Echoes? Or Dogs? Have they ever thought of concepts such as Dark Side? Or the Wall?
My vote would go to the obvious.




Edited by Zombywoof - December 05 2012 at 22:08
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^ Of course, that was meant as a joke.
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ Of course, that was meant as a joke.



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pink floyds are awesome,beatles not so much. Dead

just look at pink floyd concerts also floyds have better lyrics


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As much as I like the Beatles (they were my favourite band when I was a kid) I'm going to have to go with Floyd for this one.
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Originally posted by Zombywoof Zombywoof wrote:

Too poppy for my tastes.


In the sense that sugar might be considered too sweet for someone's taste?
Or that BB King might be considered too bluesy for someone's taste?
Or that Count Basie might be considered too jazzy for someone's taste?Confused
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Originally posted by Zombywoof Zombywoof wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ Of course, that was meant as a joke.


No, it wasn't. I've learned though, there's three things that you never want to talk about when you first meet someone: Religion, Politics, and The Beatles, because my opinions are always unpopular.

I just never got into the Beatles, man. Too poppy for my tastes.
 
The Beatles and Pink Floyd are my two favorite bands and I am not suprised that Pink Floyd would be winning on a prog site. Interestingly many of the people who ARE prog fans seemed to forget  Abbey Road Side 2  and by that time they were masters at "the recurring theme" or songs with many different sections which was actually an influence on Pink Floyd, Genesis Supper Ready and Freddy Mercury of Queen.
 
Yet it was those early Beatles songs where their unusual notorious chords and chord progression had people like Bob Dylan saying   “Their chords were outrageous, just outrageous, and their harmonies made it all valid...I knew they were pointing the direction of where music had to go." The chord progressions on "It Won't Be Long' where so unorthodox for it's time that it took about 30 years it became common in rock and roll. One of the things that made them stand out was their knack for using unusual keys.
 
Sgt Pepper was massively influential on all of pop and rock music. While there were earlier examples of rock albums that challenged the idea of all songs needing a certain structure to work.  It also stretched the boundaries of rock music. It was a concept album. All of these elements are common in progressive rock. It was (as were the Beatles in general), very influential in terms of turning the heads of many of the musicians who would become the core of the progressive rock movement.
 
While many people here will knock the early Beatles lyrics you can't knock the Beatles in terms of what they accomplished and how they influenced the heavy hitters of progressive rock. Yet that is one strand of music they influenced there were probably more influential on power pop, 12 string rock, folk rock, singer songwriters, how music is actually recorded,  and on 90's bands like Nirvana.



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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by Zombywoof Zombywoof wrote:

Too poppy for my tastes.


In the sense that sugar might be considered too sweet for someone's taste?
Or that BB King might be considered too bluesy for someone's taste?
Or that Count Basie might be considered too jazzy for someone's taste?Confused

Maybe he meant too commercial, the music is too conventional sometimes. That would be my guess.
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Originally posted by Zombywoof Zombywoof wrote:



Originally posted by mister nobody mister nobody wrote:

Have Beatles ever composed a song as good as Shine on? Or Echoes? Or Dogs? Have they ever thought of concepts such as Dark Side? Or the Wall?
My vote would go to the obvious.


Nope. The Beatles composed trivial pop nonsense.
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Edited by Zombywoof - December 05 2012 at 22:11
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Pink Floyd
This night wounds time.
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I like them equally, both are bands for which I have the utmost respect but they will never be among my favourite bands of all time.
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Originally posted by Zombywoof Zombywoof wrote:



Honestly, The Beatles are 'anti-prog' to me.


Happiness is a warm gun ?

She's so heavy ?

Here comes the sun ?

Or even the much dreaded Revolution °9 ?
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