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ProgEpics ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: September 05 2010 Location: Georgia Status: Offline Points: 92 |
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Despite their pop hits and catchy melodies I always heard a lot of progressive elements (combining jazz fusion with funk and pop sorta like steely dan). It definately makes them a good band to start someone off listening to before getting into more complex stuff. But I noticed supertramp and ELO on here and figured that toto was every bit of prog as they were. Prog related section?
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Smurph ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 11 2012 Location: Columbus&NYC Status: Offline Points: 3167 |
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I feel like its all prog related but that last song is pretty dang prog- the live one.
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Conor Fynes ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 11 2009 Location: Vancouver, CA Status: Offline Points: 3196 |
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I agree with this one. A good candidate for prog-related, at least.
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Lima96 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 20 2010 Status: Offline Points: 445 |
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Yep. Their last album is way heavier and closer to prog than anything else the band had done before. That's the least it takes for a band to be included in prog-related, isn't it?
Yes, and the "Falling In Between" song is a truly killer one.
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DamoXt7942 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Joined: October 15 2008 Location: Okayama, Japan Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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We've discussed Toto again and again for a loooooong while and I guess they might have been rejected even for Prog-Related already.
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=20318 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22013 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28369 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56957 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=60626 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=81255 They cannot find any place in PA anyhow, methinks. |
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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Thread dejavoodoo.
I have to say, I was never particularly interested in the band but of course know their hits. I do have the Dune soundtrack. ![]() Edited by Slartibartfast - May 31 2012 at 12:30 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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ProgEpics ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: September 05 2010 Location: Georgia Status: Offline Points: 92 |
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Their first album was one I grew up listening to, and even if the time sigs aren't mind blowing they were great chord writers. Go and look at the chords on the first album, very jazzy despite the pop melodies on top of them. And besides they were killer at their instruments, especially lukather. I would also say that their hits are some of the best hits on the radio, very good melody writing.
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SouthSideoftheSky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Symphonic Team Joined: June 29 2008 Location: Close To The... Status: Offline Points: 1960 |
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I don't know about Toto, but just because a band has been suggested and discussed several times doesn't mean that they have ever been formally evaluated. Again, I don't know about Toto, I've barely ever heard them to be honest, but the mere fact that they have been suggested and discussed several times should indicate that they are, at least potentially relevant. |
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Icarium ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: March 21 2008 Location: Tigerstaden Status: Offline Points: 34083 |
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they do have Miles Davis as a guest musician, do i need to say more
and Jon Anderson sings backingvocals on a Toto song and Ian Anderson plays a wicked flute solo on the album Falling in Between song Hooked |
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SouthSideoftheSky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Symphonic Team Joined: June 29 2008 Location: Close To The... Status: Offline Points: 1960 |
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I need to hear that!
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Icarium ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: March 21 2008 Location: Tigerstaden Status: Offline Points: 34083 |
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in the bridge its Ian Anderson
in the chorus of this song Jon is joyining in with the boys this is with Miles Davis & David Sanborne also not really an argument for an inclusion but this is the original take for this song Edited by aginor - May 31 2012 at 15:01 |
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SouthSideoftheSky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Symphonic Team Joined: June 29 2008 Location: Close To The... Status: Offline Points: 1960 |
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Sounds cool! In my experience, suggesting a band for Prog Related in the forum like this is highly likely to have absolutely no result. As has been pointed out above, Toto have been suggested several times before and nothing has happened. I don’t know this band, and will not take a stand until I have heard more of their material, but I can advise you, if you really mean business with your suggestion, that you will need to find a special collaborator who is willing to support the case and have him or her send a private message to one of the admins. Otherwise, this thread will very quickly go the same way as all of those other ones about Toto – i.e. into oblivion. (And I absolutely do not mean this as a critique of the site or the admins, they do a great job. I’m just saying that if one wants something done, one has to be active and persistent) Edited by SouthSideoftheSky - June 02 2012 at 07:04 |
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lucas ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 06 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 8138 |
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Well, it is a tricky case. They are AOR-related for sure, but it is unquestionable that they are also prog-related (they have one or two overtly prog songs on each album, and most of their members played in prog rock projects, during prog's heydays or during prog's revival).
I wouldn't be surprised to see them in the prog-related section of PA. And as Cédric recalled, they were discussed several times for inclusion, which means that a lot of prog afficionados believe they have something related to prog. |
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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SouthSideoftheSky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Symphonic Team Joined: June 29 2008 Location: Close To The... Status: Offline Points: 1960 |
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Aginor, you might have your man ^
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lucas ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 06 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 8138 |
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^I like TOTO, not because they might be prog-related, but because they play really good stuff. One of the rare AOR bands that never disappoints you.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Icarium ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: March 21 2008 Location: Tigerstaden Status: Offline Points: 34083 |
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we are awere of our loyalty towards Toto, the album Tambu is a interesting listen to those interested in a bit different Toto album pretty eclectic and dark,
Kingdom of Desire even darker and grittier, some awesome, almoust grungy riffs, and soem airy sound as well, pretty epic in hole, and mix of hard rock, aor, heavy prog, well eh grunge, and jazz fusion from 90s onwards Toto is more ambitious and eclectic, and more indi-band, by the way they create album more after teir own interest not after what record companies or the public wants, the four albums from 1992, to 2006 are the more progy albums overall, in terms of progy aproach,but also the 80s albums and the two 70s albume (who is a edgyer versions of Steely Dan, ), are more varied but also more refiened and sophisticated but with a goal to show what they ar e made of, jumping from album to album and change style and sound between each album which sort of alinated them, couse they could change styles on a whim, on a blink and genres, often incorporates 4-5 styles of music on each album, they play rock, pop, soul, funk, jazz, blues, country, fusion,prog, new-wave, movie score, effortlessly, I know if they wanted to they could carbon copy any Yes track and play it as good as Yes, (a good session musiciian should be able to do so), or Genesis for that matter, I think they even could do Crimson with some small changes look at their take on Beatles, Cream, Elton John and Stevie Wonder even with a odd-time shift epic also grand |
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Guldbamsen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23104 |
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Also a fan, but I don't think they belong on here. Sorry Agi, but that's how I feel. I adore Joy Division, but I can't see them featured here either - even if I can spot the openly art work eccentricities Closer had. Progressive in the same sense as Dead Can Dance were in the 80s although sounding completely different.
With Toto, I just feel they are too much of a straight up rock band, and a brilliant one at that.
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lucas ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 06 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 8138 |
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aren't dead can dance in PA ?
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Icarium ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: March 21 2008 Location: Tigerstaden Status: Offline Points: 34083 |
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i did not start this thread i only post videos and write objectivly about thier musical abilaty not thier prog apeal or not,, i just like the band but i don't think they are fully prog, but a band with occational prog songs, and with a groop of musicians which is on level with a good prog band, but are not prog per see, and i have never said so ether, they are an eclectic rock band but not a prog rock band,
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earlyprog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Neo / PSIKE / Heavy Teams Joined: March 05 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 2157 |
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I wouldn't mind seeing them under Prog Related and many more seems to have the same opinion. I don't remember any other band suggested or referenced on PA as often as Toto and have often wondered who/what stops them for being here. Apparently it's the few individuals of the prog teams against the abundant non-team members - I respect this procedure by the way, but it's very strange in this case that they are not here. |
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