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 Posted: March 17 2012 at 19:10 |
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Everything from ELP except the Tarkus epic and their debut |
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Master of Time
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Posted: April 17 2012 at 22:44 |
There's not really any specific songs I find overrated but certain albums and bands I do. Albums: Genesis: The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway Genesis: Wind & Wuthering King Crimson: Red Van Der Graaf Generator: Pawn Hearts Robert Wyatt: Rock Bottom Jethro Tull: Aqualung Steve Hackett: Spectral Mornings Neal Morse: Sola Scriptura Bands: Pink Floyd Porcupine Tree The Mars Volta O Terco Emerson Lake and Palmer Phideaux
I would like to say I do find Genesis, VDGG, Jethro Tull, Steve Hackett, and Neal Morse to be some of my favorites, overall. Just not those albums.
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Posted: April 17 2012 at 22:51 |
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"Comfortably Numb"
Not so much overrated, but overplayed (on radio). I'd be ok if I never heard that song again.
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Posted: April 27 2012 at 22:20 |
Horizons wrote:
bytor2112 wrote:
Genesis - The Lamia - The Cinema Show Rush - The Entire 1st side of Moving Pictures. King Crimson - Starless Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon (album) - Wish You Were Here (album) - Animals (album) - The Wall (album) VDGG - Plague of Lighthouse Keepers Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick (This song is very overrated, it's not musically interesting it's just long) |
Surprisingly i disagree with most of these. The Genesis songs listed are great - The Cinema Show being apart of the superior side of Selling England. Moving Pictures is really great, but Permanent Waves executes accessibilty mixed with prog much more sucessful. Pertaining to the Side 1 section - Limelight and YYZ are absolute Rush classics. Starless is not overrated. In the Court of the Crimson King is though. I think people take it's influence into the rating of the album too heavily. Pink Floyd's The Wall is the main culprite of being overrated. Dark Side of the Moon is good - but heh. Plauge of Lighthouse Keepers is amazing. Thick as a Brick sucks. And i completly agree with you - it's really boring. |
Its funny because over the last month or so since I posted that, I have really been listneing to Cinema Show and I was very suprised when it started growing on me. I understand completely why it has been given hight praise from the prog community, its completely stunning!
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Posted: April 27 2012 at 22:47 |
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It's my favorite song off of SEBTP.
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Posted: April 28 2012 at 00:26 |
Horizons wrote:
It's my favorite song off of SEBTP. |
+1 
bytor2112 wrote:
Its funny because over the last month or so since I posted that, I have really been listneing to Cinema Show and I was very suprised when it started growing on me. I understand completely why it has been given hight praise from the prog community, its completely stunning! |
Yup  . I think its second half is Banks, Rutherford, and Collins' 2nd finest hour (1st being The Cinema Show), particularly near the end.
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Posted: May 01 2012 at 10:52 |
Master of Time wrote:
There's not really any specific songs I find overrated but certain albums and bands I do.
Albums:
Genesis: The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
Genesis: Wind & Wuthering
King Crimson: Red
Van Der Graaf Generator: Pawn Hearts
Robert Wyatt: Rock Bottom
Jethro Tull: Aqualung
Steve Hackett: Spectral Mornings
Neal Morse: Sola Scriptura
Bands:
Pink Floyd
Porcupine Tree
The Mars Volta
O Terco
Emerson Lake and Palmer
Phideaux
I would like to say I do find Genesis, VDGG, Jethro Tull, Steve Hackett, and Neal Morse to be some of my favorites, overall. Just not those albums. |
I can wholeheartedly agree with a number of albums and bands you listed, but also have to strongly disagree with some.
The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway – Agree, I love early Genesis but the Lamb just does not get me excited.
Also call myself a big Tull fan but Aqualung I rate as one of their weaker albums. It kind of bores me.
King Crimson: Red – totally overated!!!
Porcupine Tree & Mars Volta: Couldn’t agree more!
Van Der Graaf Generator: Pawn Hearts – This is a masterpiece, actually underated!
Pink Floyd: not all they did was great but all in all they deserve their place in music history!
Phideaux to me can do nothing wrong. II love all there albums. Can listen to them anytime, in any mood. They always put me in an exhaled mood!
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Don't Bore Us, Get To The Chorus
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Master of Time
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Posted: May 01 2012 at 22:46 |
King Manuel wrote:
Master of Time wrote:
There's not really any specific songs I find overrated but certain albums and bands I do.
Albums:
Genesis: The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
Genesis: Wind & Wuthering
King Crimson: Red
Van Der Graaf Generator: Pawn Hearts
Robert Wyatt: Rock Bottom
Jethro Tull: Aqualung
Steve Hackett: Spectral Mornings
Neal Morse: Sola Scriptura
Bands:
Pink Floyd
Porcupine Tree
The Mars Volta
O Terco
Emerson Lake and Palmer
Phideaux
I would like to say I do find Genesis, VDGG, Jethro Tull, Steve Hackett, and Neal Morse to be some of my favorites, overall. Just not those albums. |
I can wholeheartedly agree with a number of albums and bands you listed, but also have to strongly disagree with some.
The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway – Agree, I love early Genesis but the Lamb just does not get me excited.
Also call myself a big Tull fan but Aqualung I rate as one of their weaker albums. It kind of bores me.
King Crimson: Red – totally overated!!!
Porcupine Tree & Mars Volta: Couldn’t agree more!
Van Der Graaf Generator: Pawn Hearts – This is a masterpiece, actually underated!
Pink Floyd: not all they did was great but all in all they deserve their place in music history!
Phideaux to me can do nothing wrong. II love all there albums. Can listen to them anytime, in any mood. They always put me in an exhaled mood! |
With Pawn Hearts, PF, and Phideaux, spacey psychedelic stuff just doesn't do it for me, and the avant garde tendencies of Pawn Hearts is just too much for me, but I can see how others would enjoy them. Also I'm glad someone agrees with me on Red, The Lamb, and Porcupine Tree.
Edited by Master of Time - May 02 2012 at 20:41
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Posted: May 01 2012 at 23:08 |
The word overrated is overrated.
I hate Larks Tongues in Aspic, but this doesn't mean it's overrated, if so many Progheads believe it's a masterpiece, it must have something that I haven't been able to find.
In my dictionary:
Overrated: Why do all this idiots love this trash if I believe it's crap? Underrated: Why do all this idiots don't like this marvelous song if I believe it's a masterpiece?
That's why I hate the term overrated and don't like too much the term underrated
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - May 02 2012 at 01:28
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: May 02 2012 at 01:19 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I hate Larks Tongues in Aspic, but this doesn't mean it's overrated, if so many Progheads believe it's a masterpiece, it must have something that I haven't been able to find.
In my dictionary: Overrated: Why do all this idiots love this trash if I believe it's crap? |
These two statements are kind of hard to discern from each other. I believe by 'trash' you do not mean an album that has something other people see but you don't.
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Posted: May 02 2012 at 01:26 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I hate Larks Tongues in Aspic, but this doesn't mean it's overrated, if so many Progheads believe it's a masterpiece, it must have something that I haven't been able to find.
In my dictionary: Overrated: Why do all this idiots love this trash if I believe it's crap? |
These two statements are kind of hard to discern from each other. I believe by 'trash' you do not mean an album that has something other people see but you don't. |
You don't get my point 
I believe that the term Overrated is arrogant and shouldn't be used to define art.
I hate LTiA, but I will never believe it's trash, simply I think most people find something in that album that I am not able to find.
BTW: I never use the word trash to describe an album (that would be offensive to the people that like it), and never use the word overrated (at least in several years).
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - May 02 2012 at 01:30
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Posted: May 02 2012 at 01:58 |
^ Gotcha.
On the topic: I believe I didn't make my list of top ten overrated ones. That's 'cause I ain't got one. No such thing as an overrated song here on PA.
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 13:32 |
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The whole discography of Steven Wilson is overrated.
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 14:01 |
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The whole discography of Steven Wilson is overrated. |
Though I hope you aren't including all of Porcupine Tree, I would wholeheartedly agree on his solo albums. I was really expecting great things from his latest, the way people around here built it up and it was just so...boring!
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 14:07 |
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^No, boring is A (non)Dramatic Turn Of Events
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 14:16 |
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^No, boring is A (non)Dramatic Turn Of Events |
Which is why it sold enough copies to make it to 6th place overall on Amazon, and 8th place on the Billboard charts, and get a grammy nod, something Steve Wilson will never be able to say. 
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 14:17 |
Snow Dog wrote:
^No, boring is A (non)Dramatic Turn Of Events |
At least Dream Theater still know how to change metres...
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 14:29 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I hate Larks Tongues in Aspic, but this doesn't mean it's overrated, if so many Progheads believe it's a masterpiece, it must have something that I haven't been able to find. |
It must have? No, I don't agree. You may disagree with a larger majority and still be able to grasp what it is that so many others like about it. Or else you may only speculate, and you may miss the point, but not necessarily.
I don't "understand" Larks Tongues ....................but I suspect that the appreciation is based more on rational thinking than pure feeling. It seems to get across a feeling of being very advanced. I don't "get" LTIA, but I can't assume that I lack the ability to do so.
And with that said, I think people may call something "overrated" or "underrated" - from their point of view. But you need to be very convinced before saying so.And since the general opinion is always slowly changing, it is fair to assume that most things are to different degrees overrated or underrated and rarely "perfectly" rated.
Edited by wilmon91 - May 03 2012 at 14:32
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 14:33 |
*insert generic DT insult here*
*insert generic statement about the irrelevance of Billboard 100 and Musical Awards*
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 14:37 |
dtguitarfan wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
^No, boring is A (non)Dramatic Turn Of Events |
Which is why it sold enough copies to make it to 6th place overall
on Amazon, and 8th place on the Billboard charts, and get a grammy nod,
something Steve Wilson will never be able to say.  |
Commercial success doesn't make a good album out of a record. Do you know how many copies Justin Bieber has sold? 'A Dramatic Turn of Events' is a real disappointment, the weakest Dream Theater album for 10 years and more. And Wilson's 'Grace for Drowning' is the best album of 2011. Yes, I'm a Steven Wilson fan.
Edited by ole-the-first - May 03 2012 at 14:38
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