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    Posted: April 21 2012 at 02:15
a danish band which had their first album out in 1968, who have poured out albums since then and uptil 2000 and futher, if everything is progressive/psychadelic i don't know, but the music i hear now is very fitting crossover, as it is similar to the Moody Blues, and Procol Harum, only with female vocals

to me this band is part of the scandinavian prog legacy, so i think it is fare to add them to the archives, but im sure our danish prog fans on the site is more knowledge able about them then me 

http://www.thesavagerose.net/biography/
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They are continuously at the very front edge of contemporary music, effortlessly combining elements of jazz, hip-hop, R&B, Alternative, and World Music into a unique, highly spicy and sensual pop, embracing audiences of all ages, nationalities, and ethnicities.

http://www.myspace.com/savagerosemusic

http://www.thesavagerose.net/discography/
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Suggested by tamijo back in January 2009: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55037 (quite a few replies running to two pages, and a decent bio for the band). According to Rivertree in this post: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55037&PID=3124776#3124776 they were being evaluated by Psyche/Space team, but that it might take time due to the number of albums they have released. I can't find anything in progreak for them though. Ermm
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After giving my unconditional love Heart to prog rock in the late seventies I - as a Dane - first realised that in Savage Rose we had our own "rose", most notably exemplified by Triumph of Death (in Danish Dødens Triumf").
 
Had it been released in the 60's they would - sorry, should - have been under proto prog.....they had the potential to go prog but chose their own special way, unrestrained of capital interests.
 
Too prog for PA!
 
...?...A Savage Rose is....by definition...progressive?
 
(When I suggested Savage Rose as prog a couple (4, 5?) of years go, the respond was not favorable enough for me to officially suggest them for inclusion.)


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Their first album released in 1968 will appeal to those who like It's A Beautiful Day, Sweetwater, Spirit and H.P.Lovecraft. It combines elements of classical, jazz and rock.
 
Here are samples from that album:
 
Space rock:
 
 
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Perhaps my all-time favourite female vocals. She could (and can for that matter) really bring the house down with those thundering vocal chords of hers.

Refugee always struck me as being particularly good:
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And should they be evaluated it would probably primarily be on the grounds of "The Triumph of Death" ("Dødens Triumf").
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From the album "In the Plain", released 1968 - same year as their debut s/t.
 
 
 
 


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From their 3rd album "Travelin'" released 1969:
 
 
 
 


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The fourth album "Your Daily Gift" from 1971 in it's entirety on youtube:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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wow this is so cool,sharing is caring thanks <3
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Their 5th album "Refugee" (1971) offers blues and R&B but very little prog except for this:
 
 


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:-O This will tAke some time.
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Are you bringing them to the team, Marty? I've been unsure about them for at least a day or two after listening, so if you think they're a decent shot for xover throw 'em to the boys. Wink
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Three options for PA inclusion here:
 
1. Proto-prog (a decent suggestion - think It's A Beautiful Day, Sweetwater, Lovecraft. Also, they influenced the early prog scene in Scandinavia and enjoyed some success in the US)
 
2. Throw "Dødens Triumf" (The Triumph of Death) into the Concept Albums category (ought to be straight forward)
 
3. Add to Crossover - their later works (post Triumph of Death) appears to have followed this direction
 
To help things along, I will first post tube samples of The Triumph of Death  later today (my chronolgical  analysis of Savage Rose has reached here anyway).
 
Next, I will document to what extent their later work can be lumped into crossover. (I hear some Talk Talk and Peter Gabriel in this latter period of Savage Rose.)


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Then reaching at their 5th release from 1972......unfortunately only able to trace these 4 tube samples of music from the ballet "Dødens Triumf" (Triumph of Death).
 
 
 
 
 
 


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[QUOTE=PyramidMeetsTheEye]wow this is so cool,sharing is caring thanks <3 /QUOTE

Especially when it's legal, or as legal as youtube is anyway.



And to all you other guys, thanks for your insights and being helpful in general.


I may bring it up to the team, first I have to navigate through their huge discography. Earlyprog's analysis sounds good, so let's start with those later ones first.
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As a testament to the proto-prog nature of Savage Rose:
 
The ballet "Triumph of the Death" was first televised in the autumn (edit) spring of 1971 prior to its staging at The Royal Danish Ballet in 1972. The music was written in 1970, some perhaps as early as 1969.


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A few snippets from others opinions about the band.

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New Gibraltar:
"This Danish band was quite popular in Scandinavia. It's said their first album was outsold only by the concurrent Beatles release. They certainly posessed a sound all their own, and while the overall style of In The Plain is definitely psychedelic, it has elements that can be described only as progressive."

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All Music:

Savage Rose

Formed

1966 in Denmark

Genres

Pop/Rock

Styles

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Julian Cope, on their album "In the Plain":

"With the group getting ready to go in the '70s to be followers of the Black Panthers and James Brown and refusing to perform in Vietnam, The Savage Rose were almost a psych-punk-jazz movement during that time period. And its that quality of the late Thomas Koppel's songwriting and composing music for ballet a few decades earlier with Dodens Triumf that wasn't pretentious, makes the Rose such almost the danish version of Classical Jazz Punk Rock. Almost as if John Lydon meets Beethoven in Arthur Brown style as if they would do something that was outrageous."


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Proggnosis:

Denmark The Savage Rose
Genre-SubGenre-Style: PROGRESSIVE ROCK (Early Progressive Other/General)

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Laser's Edge categorization:

  • Style:Progressive Rock

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RYM categorization:


GenresPsychedelic Rock, Progressive Rock, Psychedelic Folk


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Asbjörnsen's "Scented Gardens of the Mind":


Doesn't describe the band as progressive rock per se, but advises his readers to sample the band's initial three full length productions.


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While not conclusive in any way, there are indications of a band that merits a check, and possibly a band that may apply as a proto-prog candidate due to their late 60's productions if no place is found within a genre team.
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