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Poll Question: I love prog, and consider myself to be:
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Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:

Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

I disagree with the parameters.  You cannot measure political persuasion this way.  Dividing into "left" and "right" like this has been an effective way of getting people to accept authoritarianism by drawing arbitrary lines in the sand.  If you wish to view politics as a flat spectrum then view it as a sliding scale from anarchy/libertarianism, at one end, to authoritarianism, on the other.


There are problems with your "libertarianism to authoritarianism" scale. As far as I can tell, there's no difference between Sweden and Nazi Germany - they are both "authoritarian" because they have rather large governments. Unlike Somalia, which enjoys freedom, because they have no pesky government interference, raising unwanted taxes to build unwanted and undesirable wastes like hospitals and schools and electric power plants. That is to say, it seem that on your scale, Somalia *would be* libertarian, and Sweden, Norway, North Korea and Nazi Germany would all be authoritarian to varying degrees. I'm not sure many would agree with this...
 
 
They are all authoritarian to varying degrees.  It's a sliding scale, as I said.  Also, Just a brief article about Somalia
Either way, it doesn't change how flawed the left to right spectrum is.


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Inferring someone's political orientation from their musical tastes is bound to end in tears. Perhaps there was a time during the late 60's to early 70's when an artist's music could be said to reflect the views of their fan demographic? (that strikes me as incredibly unlikely now given that traditional Socialism as I understand it, has been dead in the water for at least 20 years)
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I used to be left of the center for years, but I have made a slow shift to the right during the last 10 years. I think it is fair to say that I am in the center now, and a bit conservative.
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Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

Generally left, but depends a lot on the issue in question 
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I used to be in the center.  But the center has been dragged so far to the right in this country that now apparently I'm a Leftie by default.

Fun fact:  extremists ALWAYS consider themselves to be centrists.
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Left of centre or Marxist Communist in the States
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Generally left, but depends a lot on the issue in question 
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Extreme Center. 


More extremely centrist than I? No way bro, I am so centrist I'm all over the map.
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Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

Just a bit left of center.  I hate extremists on both sides, but I hate the right more.


I may be wrong but isn't hate rather (ironically) extremist? I am in this quandarry as well as extremism is another -ism causing schisms.
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Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

I disagree with the parameters.  You cannot measure political persuasion this way.  Dividing into "left" and "right" like this has been an effective way of getting people to accept authoritarianism by drawing arbitrary lines in the sand.  If you wish to view politics as a flat spectrum then view it as a sliding scale from anarchy/libertarianism, at one end, to authoritarianism, on the other.


There are problems with your "libertarianism to authoritarianism" scale. As far as I can tell, there's no difference between Sweden and Nazi Germany - they are both "authoritarian" because they have rather large governments. Unlike Somalia, which enjoys freedom, because they have no pesky government interference, raising unwanted taxes to build unwanted and undesirable wastes like hospitals and schools and electric power plants. That is to say, it seem that on your scale, Somalia *would be* libertarian, and Sweden, Norway, North Korea and Nazi Germany would all be authoritarian to varying degrees. I'm not sure many would agree with this...


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Extreme Center. 
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Just a bit left of center.  I hate extremists on both sides, but I hate the right more.
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This is quite interesting considering that Rush requested / ordered US politican broadcaster Rush Limbuagh not play their music as they felt the association inappropriate.

Just wonder why and how those more closely involved with the above (Yes, I know a reasonable bit about the Priests of Syrinx, even if the are, apparentlym from time to time the "Plumbers Who've come to Fix Your Sink"...) - might view this turn of events?
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Just took one of those political quizzes that puts your political position on a chart, here's where I got.

A little out there? Embarrassed
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I disagree with the parameters.  You cannot measure political persuasion this way.  Dividing into "left" and "right" like this has been an effective way of getting people to accept authoritarianism by drawing arbitrary lines in the sand.  If you wish to view politics as a flat spectrum then view it as a sliding scale from anarchy/libertarianism, at one end, to authoritarianism, on the other.


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In the centah of it all.
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Southern nationalist/anarchist. Where does that put me?
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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Scottish Independence
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Left, although my beliefs usually correspond to anti-conservative sentiments.
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