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toroddfuglesteg ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
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I have no problems with the team going ahead and adding the band while I was sleeping the angel's sleep, Dean. In fact, I was very pleased with the team. I got a massive amount of respect for Atomic and Ivan and trust them to do the right thing(s). I did get the eval files and added my Yes later on. In any case; this is irrellevant. We only need two votes to get an addition through. Which we got in this case. So the maths is spot on here. 2 votes is an addition. Edited by toroddfuglesteg - November 20 2011 at 03:37 |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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That makes a mockery of the requirement for genre teams to have a minimum of three members - not waiting for the third vote is the essentially same as having a two-man team. The maths is not spot on, 2 votes are not an addition: Torodd voting Yes, PR, abstain or move would be okay to add the band, but his No could have vetoed. If you want to speed-up submissions then you need more people on your team. Edited by Dean - November 20 2011 at 03:45 |
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toroddfuglesteg ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
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So if a team member is being run over by a bus and obviously is not able to communicate this to the rest of the team from a morgue, ProgArchives cannot function in other words and breaks down ? Please clarify if the Admins has imposed a ban on the Symph Prog team members from passing away. Edited by toroddfuglesteg - November 20 2011 at 03:54 |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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You're a real funny guy. Out of respect for the departed team member we would permit the team to function as best they could, assuming they where more intent on evaluating bands than mourning their colleague. Obviously the team would need to find a replacement as soon as is practical. |
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toroddfuglesteg ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
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How would you know if the team member had departed ? For all Ivan and Atom knew, I was dead, indisposed or simply abstaining from voting when the eval was done. In any case; you have known about our voting rules now since I joined the team months ago. You have seen us operating under this rule for the last ten additions. Why reacting now on the eleventh'ish addition ? I do not want a long debate going because I have interviews and reviews to add. Edited by toroddfuglesteg - November 20 2011 at 04:07 |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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The Band Admission Policy has been in its current form in its current location for a year, while I cannot force people to read it, I do assume that all team members and collaborators have at least skimmed it. I wasn't aware you were operating in this way until now because believe it or not, I don't monitor every addition by every team.
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toroddfuglesteg ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
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.......rules the team has followed in this case to every letter and dots because the Team does not know if the third team member is dead, indisposed or abstaining. And a happy Sunday morning to you too. |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Luckily you were neither dead nor indisposed, just asleep. Absence is not abstaining - to abstain you have to say you are abstaining.
And a good morning to you too.
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Icarium ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: March 21 2008 Location: Tigerstaden Status: Offline Points: 34086 |
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it is funny that the three members of the symphonic prog team lives on that are in totaly oppesite time-szones from eachother, almost 24 hours between each member (Ivan, Atomic and Torodd) Peru, Australia and Scotland, no suprise it is a difficult team to have the logostic going i think
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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^ which is why at least 24hrs to complete an evaluation is perfectly understandable and perfectly acceptable
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Icarium ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: March 21 2008 Location: Tigerstaden Status: Offline Points: 34086 |
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im not complaining just observing an interesting obsticle or challange,
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toroddfuglesteg ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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^ I think you're overreacting
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toroddfuglesteg ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
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The rule btw says: 4.1.1 Three-man team = 2 Yes votes, 0 No votes 0 No votes normally means the 3rd member is either dead or indisposed (holiday, work, at sleep etc etc etc). Scott and Ivan was acting correctly according to this rule. I would also allude Dean to the many cleared but not added bands now in the teams. I think that is a big problem which should be adressed by everyone. Edited by toroddfuglesteg - November 20 2011 at 07:11 |
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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I think the rules mean that a No vote must be deliberate, not accidental. Just because a team member hasn't voted does not constitute zero No votes. The third team member could abstain, and that would constitute zero NO votes (but it would have to be recorded) This seems self evident to me.... |
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toroddfuglesteg ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
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My point is that an accidental or a deliberate 0 vote means the 2 team members does have access to the 3rd member. We are not sitting in a room together and the two other members does not have any means to understand if the 0 vote is down to death or the team member just being temporary indisposed. While we establish the status of the third member, the team will be frozen, disabled and out of business and ProgArchives disabled from offering a good service. That is my whole point here. Scott and Ivan was right. Edited by toroddfuglesteg - November 20 2011 at 07:10 |
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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^What a Difference a Day makes, 24 little hours etc?
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Tony R ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11979 |
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Oh FFS
Life's too short for Genre Team egos... |
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toroddfuglesteg ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
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For most of us, life is not long enough to see suggested bands being added to the database. Anyway.......... Let's move on and I am taking ExitTheLemming's point on board as the valid point it is. Edited by toroddfuglesteg - November 20 2011 at 08:03 |
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