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Posted: November 17 2011 at 00:18
Some of that footage reminds me of examining Zapruder, the planes hitting towers much like the bullets hitting Kennedy. This country has had enough surprise attacks for a lifetime. it's enough already.
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Posted: November 17 2011 at 00:08
Atavachron wrote:
James wrote:
You all should watch the September Clues films.
I've seen them all. Very interesting. I am not saying I agree with it all but a lot of it I can certainly agree with. It's certainly a different take on the usual 9/11 theories (and very far fetched even for me!)
just watched much of it- I have to say buddy, to me it's one of the less convincing 9/11 bits. Seems more like a demonstration of how the same event can be recorded differently because of angle, camera, distance, light & atmosphere.
Except the 'plane is just not there in some shots.... that's nothing to do with angles. It's not there.
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Posted: November 17 2011 at 00:01
^ That's amazing, he also works in a post office in Brisbane,California .. well, at least a 70-year old Chinese man about Lee's size does. It could be him.
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Posted: November 16 2011 at 03:27
when one are talking about symbolisme I think it is interesting that the new wave band Tears for Fears on the album Seeds of Love have alot of Freemason symbols on the cover and some songs are about Freemason theories or beleevs, i don't know if Roland have connecetions though or he just is facinated by such things
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Posted: November 16 2011 at 03:25
James wrote:
You all should watch the September Clues films.
I've seen them all. Very interesting. I am not saying I agree with it all but a lot of it I can certainly agree with. It's certainly a different take on the usual 9/11 theories (and very far fetched even for me!)
just watched much of it- I have to say buddy, to me it's one of the less convincing 9/11 bits. Seems more like a demonstration of how the same event can be recorded differently because of angle, camera, distance, light & atmosphere.
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Posted: November 16 2011 at 02:42
You all should watch the September Clues films.
I've seen them all. Very interesting. I am not saying I agree with it all but a lot of it I can certainly agree with. It's certainly a different take on the usual 9/11 theories (and very far fetched even for me!).
I'm still having issues with the whole Vicsim thing though. The Fox stuff though I can quite believe. There's so many flaws in the original footage it's difficult to comprehend at times.
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Posted: November 16 2011 at 02:36
Dean wrote:
James wrote:
CPicard wrote:
...One thing that still puzzles me is why are there so many American who swear that the Moon landing is a hoax. If the Russians managed to send a dog, then a man in space, why are there American people who denied this glory to their own country???
Mayhap because the Russian claims were fake as well?
Or perhaps it's because they didn't go through the Van Allen Belt (I've not read whether they did or not).
Quote wikipedia: "The Apollo astronauts traveled through the Van Allen radiation belts on the way to the moon; however, exposure was minimized by following a trajectory along the edge of the belts that avoided the strongest areas of radiation. The total radiation exposure to astronauts was estimated to be much less than the five (5) rem set by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission for people who work with radioactivity."
"The problem of protecting astronauts against the radiation found within the Van Allen belts was recognized before the advent of manned space flight... The simple solution to protection is to remain under the belts [below an altitude of approximately 556 km (? 300 nautical miles)] when in Earth orbit, and to traverse the belts rapidly on the way to outer space..." Quoth NASA
... of course for a tru-CT that is all part of the cover-up
Not really. There's so many other flaws in the whole story. I do know people have mentioned the Van Allen Belt though as one of the issues.
Anyhow, I cannot physically see the Van Allen Belt and so it therefore may not actually exist!
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Posted: November 16 2011 at 01:08
^ right, in all the excitement-- and it may have been part of the deal with Time that no copies could be made by anyone but them (and the Secret Service of course)
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Posted: November 16 2011 at 00:58
^ Ok now I 'member......the interview he gave.....I think it was $50K....I would have sold it too and with google eyes at the money I doubt I would have considered a copy.
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Posted: November 16 2011 at 00:09
Everyone knew he'd taken a film of the assassination because he was interviewed on nationwide TV several hours after it happened where it was revealed he'd captured it. Time-Life immediately offered him, I think it was $50,000 (a huge amount then) and Zapruder being a small businessman, knew a good deal when he saw it. The big mistake was not making or securing a copy for himself that day before Time-Life gave it to the Feds.
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Posted: November 16 2011 at 00:01
Atavachron wrote:
It turns out stories, even pure fiction, are very important to us (even in our time)-- short ones, long ones, fake ones, real ones, it doesn't seem to matter, we loves us some stories.
As for the Zapruder Film... oy, it's a Pandora's box. The film, much like Kennedy's body, was so badly handled in the panic and rush of those first few days after the assassination that some damage may have occurred by the time it was seen by the public. As far as we know, as documented by the Assassination Records Review Board (the last Federal body to investigate the case, more specifically to gather all extant documentation of the event), the original film was sold to Time-Life by Zapruder the day of (or after) the crime.
But here's the kicker: evidently Time-Life "loaned" the original to the Secret Service the weekend of Nov 23rd to study and make copies which was done over that weekend at the CIA's photography lab in Maryland. It was then returned to Time-Life on Monday, Nov 25. No one really knows what if anything was done to the film by authorities during that weekend, or whether the version returned to Time-Life, which famously published a series of low-quality stills from the film in an article on the assassination, was the true original.
As for hard, visual evidence the film was altered, the jury is still out, but there are tons of distortions and artifacts in the currently available version of the film (even the good, remastered one), and it takes years to fully comprehend. I'm still noticing things I hadn't before.
I did not know this about the Time-Life loan out.....How/why did Zapruder sell the film the day after or even 2-3 days after the incident? I wonder what he was thinking since I am sure he had to contact them first........
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Posted: November 15 2011 at 22:05
It turns out stories, even pure fiction, are very important to us (even in our time)-- short ones, long ones, fake ones, real ones, it doesn't seem to matter, we loves us some stories.
As for the Zapruder Film... oy, it's a Pandora's box. The film, much like Kennedy's body, was so badly handled in the panic and rush of those first few days after the assassination that some damage may have occurred by the time it was seen by the public. As far as we know, as documented by the Assassination Records Review Board (the last Federal body to investigate the case, more specifically to gather all extant documentation of the event), the original film was sold to Time-Life by Zapruder the day of (or after) the crime.
But here's the kicker: evidently Time-Life "loaned" the original to the Secret Service the weekend of Nov 23rd to study and make copies which was done over that weekend at the CIA's photography lab in Maryland. It was then returned to Time-Life on Monday, Nov 25. No one really knows what if anything was done to the film by authorities during that weekend, or whether the version returned to Time-Life, which famously published a series of low-quality stills from the film in an article on the assassination, was the true original.
As for hard, visual evidence the film was altered, the jury is still out, but there are tons of distortions and artifacts in the currently available version of the film (even the good, remastered one), and it takes years to fully comprehend. I'm still noticing things I hadn't before.
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