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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2011 at 16:45
I understand what you're saying and you're not necessarily wrong, but this discussion is for people who enjoy the gossip/speculation of the race such as myself.

Huntsman would probably make a great VP but Romney would never choose him. Why? One Mormon is bad enough, two of them would look like some conspiracy that would freak out the Republican base. I think Paul has already said he has no interest in being VP and would not even endorse anyone else if he failed to get the nomination.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2011 at 16:47
Fair enough, since you were so nice about it I shall leave.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2011 at 17:13
The field after NH will look like this:
Romney
Paul
Cain
Perry
Gingrich
 
That is one thing I'm 99% sure of (1% allowing for how delusional Santorum may be)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2011 at 17:42
Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

Seeing as so many people think Romney has this in the bag, the real fun is to be head in guessing who will drop out next. Could be anybody really. Santorum, Huntsman, Karger, Johnson, Roemer. Bachmann and Perry may as well drop out but I expect them to fight to the finish out of pride. At least Perry will, Bachmann might be forced to call it a day when she fails in Iowa.


Everyone thought that McCain was eliminated last primary and look at what happened... Unfortunately.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2011 at 20:39
There are a few prominent commentators, including Ariana Huffington, who think Huntsman could turn out to be a big deal, specifically that there's a chance that Huntsman will be the beneficiary of a sudden surge when people realise that he could beat Obama more easily than any other GOP candidate including Romney.

I mean, does the Republican party want to take a stand on conservative principles or win the election? Romney is a compromise between the two poles and so therefore satisfies neither the Republican base or moderate voters. On the other hand, no Republican candidate would find it as easy to appeal to moderates as Huntsman and it's not as if Republicans would vote for Obama out of spite. I think he would be a real danger, whereas Romney would probably just sort of bore and amuse people by turns without really changing anyone's mind.

There are only three candidates who could debate Obama, Romney, Huntsman and Gingrich. Anyone else would end up sorry they were ever born after a few hours being ripped on national TV by the big O. This is kind of why I hope Cain gets the nomination because boy oh boy would that make for some funny debates. Obama would probably toss his notes aside after twenty minutes and go "f**k this, I don't even need to waste my time debating you, I'm just gonna start making jokes."

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2011 at 20:53
^I don't think he's the greatest debater ever, though I agree he's better than most of the other ones.

It's sad that presidents be elected only because of their debating skills...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2011 at 20:58
Very true that debate skills do not say much about someone's ability to make real time executive decisions.

However, when do we get to watch a candidate make realtime executive decisions.


SAY! That's a really good idea. In the future, anyone who wants to be a presidential candidate must agree to be followed by a film crew for 12 hours a day for a four month period before the primaries so we can see them making calls and doing their homework. It would not be broadcast but unedited footage would be available online for interested parties. The mainstream media would no doubt present us with little highlights packages but any accusations of clips being selectiely chosen or taken out of context, if true, should be able to be remedied by presenting other parts of the same footage. Don't want that level of scrutiny? Then you probably don't want to be president.

That's right, every GOP candidate should have their own reality show!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2011 at 21:07
^Well, with so many debates, it kinda feels like a reality show already... Sadly, Ron Paul gets to play the role of the guy the camera never focuses on...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2011 at 21:09
I remember reading that a significant amount of articles about Ron Paul are about asking why people never write articles about Ron Paul.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2011 at 21:25
Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

There are a few prominent commentators, including Ariana Huffington, who think Huntsman could turn out to be a big deal, specifically that there's a chance that Huntsman will be the beneficiary of a sudden surge when people realise that he could beat Obama more easily than any other GOP candidate including Romney.

I mean, does the Republican party want to take a stand on conservative principles or win the election? Romney is a compromise between the two poles and so therefore satisfies neither the Republican base or moderate voters. On the other hand, no Republican candidate would find it as easy to appeal to moderates as Huntsman and it's not as if Republicans would vote for Obama out of spite. I think he would be a real danger, whereas Romney would probably just sort of bore and amuse people by turns without really changing anyone's mind.

There are only three candidates who could debate Obama, Romney, Huntsman and Gingrich. Anyone else would end up sorry they were ever born after a few hours being ripped on national TV by the big O. This is kind of why I hope Cain gets the nomination because boy oh boy would that make for some funny debates. Obama would probably toss his notes aside after twenty minutes and go "f**k this, I don't even need to waste my time debating you, I'm just gonna start making jokes."
 
 
With all do respect to Ariana, she's an idiot.  She's as legitimate an expert on politics as I am on astrophysics.  Huntsman will be out of the race after a poorer than expected showing in NH.  The only reason the media keeps talking him up is that they like that he is closer to them than any of the other candidates phiosophically.  You really think republican primary voters will be clamoring to the polls for someone slightly more liberal than Romney and used to work for Obama?
 
If Obama tossed his notes aside he'd turn into Rick Perry.  Unless Ron Paul wins the nomination the debates will be completely devoid of any substance, anyway. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2011 at 21:37
I wasn't saying Huffington is right, I was just commenting on a phenomena I'd noticed. I too think Huntsman is going home after NH. But as someone said, remember McCain. And yes, McCain lost, but he was dealing with a massive wave of disillusionment and disappointment after Bush. Huntsman on ther other hand, would have the exact opposite situation, with a lot of people being disappointed with Obama.

And do you really think Republicans would Idly sit by and watch Obama win again rather than vote for
Huntsman?

I think you're wrong about the debates though. Romney wouldn't last long with Obama in a charisma battle so I think it would contain a lot of awkward facts and figures about the economy and some quite serious number crunching and discussion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2011 at 21:37
Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

There are a few prominent commentators, including Ariana Huffington, who think Huntsman could turn out to be a big deal, specifically that there's a chance that Huntsman will be the beneficiary of a sudden surge when people realise that he could beat Obama more easily than any other GOP candidate including Romney.

I mean, does the Republican party want to take a stand on conservative principles or win the election? Romney is a compromise between the two poles and so therefore satisfies neither the Republican base or moderate voters. On the other hand, no Republican candidate would find it as easy to appeal to moderates as Huntsman and it's not as if Republicans would vote for Obama out of spite. I think he would be a real danger, whereas Romney would probably just sort of bore and amuse people by turns without really changing anyone's mind.

There are only three candidates who could debate Obama, Romney, Huntsman and Gingrich. Anyone else would end up sorry they were ever born after a few hours being ripped on national TV by the big O. This is kind of why I hope Cain gets the nomination because boy oh boy would that make for some funny debates. Obama would probably toss his notes aside after twenty minutes and go "f**k this, I don't even need to waste my time debating you, I'm just gonna start making jokes."



I certainly wouldn't call Obama a master debater...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2011 at 21:50
Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

I wasn't saying Huffington is right, I was just commenting on a phenomena I'd noticed. I too think Huntsman is going home after NH. But as someone said, remember McCain. And yes, McCain lost, but he was dealing with a massive wave of disillusionment and disappointment after Bush. Huntsman on ther other hand, would have the exact opposite situation, with a lot of people being disappointed with Obama.

And do you really think Republicans would Idly sit by and watch Obama win again rather than vote for
Huntsman?

I think you're wrong about the debates though. Romney wouldn't last long with Obama in a charisma battle so I think it would contain a lot of awkward facts and figures about the economy and some quite serious number crunching and discussion.
 
 
The "base" is going to be far less likely to hold their nose and vote for another McCain.  Most who did it last time around probably still don't sleep well over it.  This is the major reason I think Romney would have no chance of beating Obama.
 
Charisma can't carry Obama this time.  He has to run against an actual record.  Put him on the defensive and take away the teleprompter and huge cracks will appear in his armor.  He is much much closer to Nixon than Kennedy, at this point, and it's going to bcome ever clearer.  Only the hardcore supporter are still buying the fairytale. 
 
There seems to be a surprising desire for substance right now (a major reason why neither Romney or anyone else can crack 25% in GOP polls).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2011 at 22:35




Do not overlook the possibility of this dark horse candidate. 
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2011 at 22:45
Since all GOP candidates follow this guy anyway, there's a strong chance they may just cut out the middle man and go straight for him as their nominee:



I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2011 at 23:56

Oh no, The Derptor is back



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2011 at 23:57
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:





Do not overlook the possibility of this dark horse candidate. 
 
I say, FDR isn't looking too bad for his age


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2011 at 04:19
Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:





Do not overlook the possibility of this dark horse candidate. 
 
I say, FDR isn't looking too bad for his age
Actually that's Joe Lieberman.Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2011 at 05:29
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:





Do not overlook the possibility of this dark horse candidate. 


I'd take him over who we have now... At least he'd have a strong foreign policy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2011 at 07:00
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

^I don't think he's the greatest debater ever, though I agree he's better than most of the other ones.

It's sad that presidents be elected only because of their debating skills...
Not really.  The debates are just one of the things by which you can evaluate a candidate.  By the time they get around to it though it's more for entertainment for me because I follow politics the way some guys follow sports.


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