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barbs 
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 Topic: How many Hardcore DT fans???
Posted: June 09 2005 at 13:01 |
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Octavarium jumps to no 45 in the all time greatest list in a couple of
days!!! I like DT but I don't understand how this could happen so
quickly.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: June 09 2005 at 13:33 |
What is your definition of hardcore?.........besides porn! 
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Arsillus
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Posted: June 09 2005 at 13:50 |
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: June 09 2005 at 14:29 |
hmm i think he meant hardore = die-hard = love it. And talking bout worshiping - i DO worship them  . But it doesn't mean I'm a fanboy... still can' get used to Falling into infinity...
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 09 2005 at 15:19 |
I'm sitting here beneath my three DT posters, 11 albums and 2 DVDs ... Am I a hardcore fan?
I think YES, but not if the definition of hardcore fan includes that I don't appreciate other genres.
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hdfisch
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Posted: June 09 2005 at 18:46 |
I have almost all (at least the studio + some live + 1 DVD) albums from them in my collection, but still don't regard myself a hardcore fan! I think you just should have them but that doesn't mean to be a fan. I have many bands with their full discography in my collection (of course not all of them in originals, only from Flower Kings  ). Doesn't mean anything!
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barbs
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Posted: June 09 2005 at 19:43 |
MikeEnRegalia
Yeah, your hardcore, but a nice one I think.
I just didn't get how they could go up and down in the charts so fast??? 
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Hammill
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Posted: June 09 2005 at 20:50 |
well the last album of DT that i bought was six degrees. i didn't
really like it. they changed their style alot by trying to sound
heavier. six degrees was the greatest musical dissapointment in my life
after ryche's hear in the now frontier 
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Bionic Commando
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Posted: June 09 2005 at 21:34 |
I wouldn't consider myself "hardcore" in the way I think you're presenting it. I can see holes and flaws in Octavarium. It'd be very, very lucky to get a 4 star review from myself.
However, I do have 12 CD's, 3 DVD's and a vast number of fanclub/bootleg CD's, so i'm quite a big fan. Just not a stubborn fan.
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barbs
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Posted: June 09 2005 at 21:44 |
So if someone as dedicated to DT as you(you basically have their
collection) isn't giving Octavarium 5 stars, where are they all coming
from?
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barbs
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Posted: June 09 2005 at 22:05 |
Ok
So would it be fair to say that there are 4 types out there.
1. Doesn't like anything remotely associated with metal.  (total non DT)
2. Can take it or leave (maybe has one or two albums/maybe still deciding)
3. Probably most of us - really like the band and have most of their
albums but have eclectic musical tastes ranging across the spectrum and
will give an album a fair go before passing judgment for any genre 
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4. Spectral apparitions that invade websites and push the ratings up on
DT in order to cause chaos, confusion and flamewars with 'oldprog metal
haters' and 'DT officianados'.
or
5. As prog is considered 'anti- establishment' by some, could this be a
CIA plot to unsettle members causing them, during times of emotive
outburst to, give away their secret thoughts and reveal their hostility
for government plans to comply with order 90125.
or...its an experiment
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 10 2005 at 04:02 |
 Hammil wrote:
well the last album of DT that i bought was six degrees. i didn't really like it. they changed their style alot by trying to sound heavier. six degrees was the greatest musical dissapointment in my life after ryche's hear in the now frontier 
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You did notice that the album has a second disc ... did you?
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the dragon
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Posted: June 10 2005 at 04:24 |
Actually Octavaium is no.27 of 50 greatest prog album EVER! In three days...
DT is a great band, but this is simply unreal!
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Still alive...
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barbs
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Posted: June 10 2005 at 05:12 |
yeah, like I think at one point (must have been an accident) it was no
13 or something then back down in the late 40s and has since sped into
the 20s. It like wall street on uppers and downers.
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Hammill
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Posted: June 10 2005 at 06:58 |
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yes i did...
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Snow Dog
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Posted: June 10 2005 at 07:38 |
I have all their albums and one DVD and one video(anyone remember them? )......I would consider myself a Softcore fan Tho!
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barbs
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Posted: June 10 2005 at 07:47 |
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Bionic Commando
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Posted: June 10 2005 at 08:40 |
Maybe i'm blinded by the sheer brilliance of Room V (which coincidentally arrived the same day). But I just disagree with most reviews. The album is good, yes. But a Prog Masterpiece? Get outta town. I hate all these blind fanboys (the same ones who loved ToT) who can't see flaws.
I like the album, it's decent. I just feel some people are over-rating it.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 10 2005 at 09:59 |
Boinic Commando wrote:
Maybe i'm blinded by the sheer brilliance of Room V (which coincidentally arrived the same day). But I just disagree with most reviews. The album is good, yes. But a Prog Masterpiece? Get outta town. I hate all these blind fanboys (the same ones who loved ToT) who can't see flaws.
I like the album, it's decent. I just feel some people are over-rating it.
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I agree, Room V is awesome. Octavarium is a 4 star album to me (very good, but not essential). Maybe it's a non-essential masterpiece.
It's fundamental flaw might be that it still contains many elements of the typical DT style that many hoped would progress.
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Manunkind
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Posted: June 10 2005 at 10:09 |
barbs wrote:
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Thorakk! The earthlings have blown our cover!
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