Judas Priest for Prog Related!

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 ExittheLemming wrote:

 rushfan4 wrote:

If Judas Priest were some obscure 70's band instead of Judas Priest, and they had only released Rocka Rolla and Sad Wings of Destiny, then they would probably get consideration for a category like crossover or heavy prog; maybe even enough to be added, after all they would be obscure, probably unknown by most and therefore not controversial.  
The reason a plain vanilla metal band would not be included in Crossover or Heavy Prog is because they might be considered a plain vanilla metal band (not because they're obscure or not controversial)

On the flipside, if Judas Priest were some obscure 90's metal band instead of Judas Priest and they had only released Painkiller and/or Nostradamus they would probably get consideration for prog metal, or maybe again heavy prog. If a suggestor were to select the right couple of songs to provide as samples to the evaluation team they could probably get added to the database.

It should be self evident that 'cherry picking' albums would lead to all manner of PA anomalies in support of your argument e.g. If ELP had ONLY released Love Beach what category would they fit?

I am aware of that, but I am also aware that there are incidences where bands have been added to the archives based on a few songs that were sampled on MySpace or some other music source, as that was all that was made available to the evaluation teams.  See recent argument in collaboration zone regarding some obscure European band that was added to Symphonic prog that Ivan tried to have moved elsewhere, but nobody else wanted them.  Their 1st album had some progginess but most of the remainder of their discography was apparently really bad Manowar type music.  If prior to their evaluation they were as well-known as Judas Priest there is no way in hell that they would have been added to PA, but because they were obscure and only the progressive music was made available for evaluation, they were added.  And of course, as you stated, the problem with cherry picking is that you do end up with anomalies.  I'm not advocating cherry picking, I am just trying to make the point that there have been more obscure bands that have been added to PA based on less than representative samples.  Just as there have been plenty of progressive bands that have probably been denied access to PA because the only samples that were made available were those that were on MySpace, which were meant for more popular consumption.  
It has been stated to me multiple times that it is M@x's position on additions of bands to PA that if a band has 1 full-fledged progressive album then they should be added.  This is regardless if they released 99 other albums that were purely polka. There are those that would argue that they have 4 progressive albums with the 4 mentioned in the 1st paragraph.  I can't say that any of them are full-fledged progressive albums though and that is the rub.  Sure there are songs and parts of songs on those albums that are progressive, there are a couple of really good progressive songs on those albums that it is a shame aren't somehow included on PA (their goodness being subjective, of course).  In all seriousness, one could probably argue that are many bands in PA that did not release any full-fledged "progressive rock" albums, per se, but the general drift of the album was progressive rock.  (i.e. they had a song like "I Know What I Like In Your Wardrobe" or some such thing which would probably not be considered progressive, but the majority of the songs/pieces on the album are progressive).

In conclusion, I accepted that the Admins decided not to add Judas Priest 3-years ago and I moved on, and although I don't necessarily agree with their decision, I feel that their decision was based on what they felt was their correct evaluation of Judas Priest and what they felt was best for the site.  I also won't be surprised if they get suggested another 50 times by people like me or South Side of The Sky who feel that there is reason enough for them to be included.  Such is the way of PA. 