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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2011 at 06:55
Originally posted by tupan tupan wrote:

So, EVERYONE rated (hated?) the album with a 1 star? There's something wrong here...
not necessarily. Wink
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Points: 1241 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2011 at 06:59
^But here on PA 10 people gave a one star rating. Even the second album of Torman Maxt (which I gave a 2) have a better rating. Damn, Even St. Anger have a better rating! 

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Points: 32553 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2011 at 07:33
13 ratings and unanimous panning.  Shocked

But that track I heard is really bad. 
https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2011 at 08:03
Doesn't sound so bad to meErmm
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2011 at 08:08
Originally posted by Kotro Kotro wrote:

I like it. Probably my favorite thing Metallica have been involved with - as for Lou Reed, I'd say this is on par with "The Raven". I find it a bit long (plus it has a couple of stinkers - like The View and Iced Honey), but I understand there is a story to be told, etc. Also, James Hetfield "singing" is quite unnecessary. The second disc is my favorite.

I enjoyed The View a lot. Haven't come to Iced Honey yet
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2011 at 09:21
Listened to nearly the whole album now and I think it is rather good actually. Don't understand the hate.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Listened to nearly the whole album now and I think it is rather good actually. Don't understand the hate.
must be that your average progster is close-minded ? Just a supposition.
 
And yes, this album sounds pretty decent.
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Points: 1321 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2011 at 10:37
It makes me want to throw up. I shall listen a couple more times but that is IT.

I really want to like it..... I just can't
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Points: 23104 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2011 at 10:46
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Listened to nearly the whole album now and I think it is rather good actually. Don't understand the hate.



I did the same last night, and I rather like it. I guess people donīt like the vocals, but prefer the likes of Eloy and Dream Theater- where the guys can really singWink

I commend both Lou and Metallica for having the balls to do this, and personally I am putting this on my "to get" list.
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I guess people donīt like the vocals, but prefer the likes of Eloy and Dream Theater- where the guys can really singWink



Pretty much what I'm guessing, I don't know why people have such a hard time with spoken word, sometimes it's more emotional than singing, as in Reed's case. Man, it shows the blatant narrow-mindedness of some people.

EDIT: My review got it above Load, Reload and St. Anger. Where it deserves to be.


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Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

must be that your average progster is close-minded ? Just a supposition.


Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:


Pretty much what I'm guessing, I don't know why people have such a hard time with spoken word, sometimes it's more emotional than singing, as in Reed's case. Man, it shows the blatant narrow-mindedness of some people.

EDIT: My review got it above Load, Reload and St. Anger. Where it deserves to be.


What's more blatantly narrow-minded is believing that just because someone doesn't like this album means that they're narrow-minded.
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Originally posted by TheMasterMofo TheMasterMofo wrote:

Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

must be that your average progster is close-minded ? Just a supposition.


Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:


Pretty much what I'm guessing, I don't know why people have such a hard time with spoken word, sometimes it's more emotional than singing, as in Reed's case. Man, it shows the blatant narrow-mindedness of some people.

EDIT: My review got it above Load, Reload and St. Anger. Where it deserves to be.


What's more blatantly narrow-minded is believing that just because someone doesn't like this album means that they're narrow-minded.
if someone who listens regularly to prog rock doesn't like an album of a different genre than he is used to listen to, the first reaction is to think that he/she is close-minded.
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Points: 3659 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2011 at 14:38
Originally posted by tupan tupan wrote:

^But here on PA 10 people gave a one star rating. Even the second album of Torman Maxt (which I gave a 2) have a better rating. Damn, Even St. Anger have a better rating! 
 
I'll soon put that right when I do my 5 star review. Wink Well perhaps not but i think a 3 star review will be forthcoming.
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^ I gave it four stars.
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Points: 3659 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2011 at 14:46
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Points: 220 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2011 at 15:14
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by TheMasterMofo TheMasterMofo wrote:

Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

must be that your average progster is close-minded ? Just a supposition.


Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:


Pretty much what I'm guessing, I don't know why people have such a hard time with spoken word, sometimes it's more emotional than singing, as in Reed's case. Man, it shows the blatant narrow-mindedness of some people.

EDIT: My review got it above Load, Reload and St. Anger. Where it deserves to be.


What's more blatantly narrow-minded is believing that just because someone doesn't like this album means that they're narrow-minded.
if someone who listens regularly to prog rock doesn't like an album of a different genre than he is used to listen to, the first reaction is to think that he/she is close-minded.



I wouldn't call a food critic narrow-minded if he ate a meal of dog feces and decided that it tasted terrible. I wouldn't say, "Oh, you're just not used to eating sh*t yet. You're not giving it a fair chance!"
Some stuff just tastes like sh*t for some people.

I won't give it 1 star on my review, but I most certainly won't be giving it 4 or 5, either. It'll probably get 2 stars from me because that's what I see it as: something fans of Lou Reed or Metallica need to at least listen to, but not something that I view as pleasant listening material.
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Points: 21795 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2011 at 16:00
Originally posted by TheMasterMofo TheMasterMofo wrote:

Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

must be that your average progster is close-minded ? Just a supposition.


Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:


Pretty much what I'm guessing, I don't know why people have such a hard time with spoken word, sometimes it's more emotional than singing, as in Reed's case. Man, it shows the blatant narrow-mindedness of some people.

EDIT: My review got it above Load, Reload and St. Anger. Where it deserves to be.


What's more blatantly narrow-minded is believing that just because someone doesn't like this album means that they're narrow-minded.


My point was that you can not like an album but that alone certainly does not warrant a single star. You have to look at other factors, like artistic significance, how well it's played, etc. Something can be brilliant and still not appeal to certain people, that's my point. Obviously my star scale is different than yours and that's alright.

And furthermore, narrow-mindedness is saying "I listened to it for twenty seconds and hate it." That's not giving an honest listen.

Narrow-mindedness has nothing to do with not liking material, it's not liking material and instantly labeling it sh*t.


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Points: 220 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2011 at 16:12
Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:



My point was that you can not like an album but that alone certainly does not warrant a single star. You have to look at other factors, like artistic significance, how well it's played, etc. Something can be brilliant and still not appeal to certain people, that's my point. Obviously my star scale is different than yours and that's alright.

And furthermore, narrow-mindedness is saying "I listened to it for twenty seconds and hate it." That's not giving an honest listen.

Narrow-mindedness has nothing to do with not liking material, it's not liking material and instantly labeling it sh*t.


I can definitely agree that 20 seconds of listening could fall under the "narrow-minded" label, but then again, I can listen to N'Sync or Gucci Mane for 20 seconds and pretty much know that I'm not going to like it. I just wanted to make sure that not everyone giving it 1 or 2 stars was being labeled "narrow-minded" because there's definitely a legitimate argument for this album being low-rated, based on my first two full listens.
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Points: 21795 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2011 at 17:48
Originally posted by TheMasterMofo TheMasterMofo wrote:

Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:



My point was that you can not like an album but that alone certainly does not warrant a single star. You have to look at other factors, like artistic significance, how well it's played, etc. Something can be brilliant and still not appeal to certain people, that's my point. Obviously my star scale is different than yours and that's alright.

And furthermore, narrow-mindedness is saying "I listened to it for twenty seconds and hate it." That's not giving an honest listen.

Narrow-mindedness has nothing to do with not liking material, it's not liking material and instantly labeling it sh*t.


I can definitely agree that 20 seconds of listening could fall under the "narrow-minded" label, but then again, I can listen to N'Sync or Gucci Mane for 20 seconds and pretty much know that I'm not going to like it. I just wanted to make sure that not everyone giving it 1 or 2 stars was being labeled "narrow-minded" because there's definitely a legitimate argument for this album being low-rated, based on my first two full listens.


Alright, glad we got that clear.

I don't like being called narrow-minded at all, if I came across as a bit of an ass, I apologize. LOL
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