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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Should similar instances of album duplication come to light in the future, the remedy will require the input of site owner Max.

It's known for a long time that the possibility to merge albums is necessary. It's always a headache to manage them via PM.

In other threads I saw the answer that M@X tried to implement merging quite a long time ago, but after changes something was wrong with automatic ratings' calculation and he decided to leave things as they are.


Some more duplications: 

DIXIE DREGS:
1. "King Bisquit Flower Hour" original entry (5 ratings, 5 reviews): http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=4293
2. Duplication 1 (0 reviews, 1 rating): http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=17653 (2 reviews, 4 ratings) http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=7172
3. Duplication 2 (0 reviews, 0 ratings): http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=13615
4. Looks like the same record (but I'm not sure) with different tracks' order: http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=17653

JETHRO TULL:
1. "20 Years of Jethro Tull Box" - earlier entry (3 reviews, 23 ratings): http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=9893
2. Duplication (3 reviews, 23 ratings): http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=10952. Reviews not duplicated. Another problem here - one of the reviews is written by our late friend Febus.




Edited by NotAProghead - November 03 2011 at 04:45
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Right, Western Culture by Henry Cow has been 'remedied'

There were 9 ratings for the 2001 Remastered edition
7 of these were 'ratings only' reviews
2 of these were written reviews

Only 2 of the 'ratings only' reviews for the Remastered edition were NOT duplicates of 'ratings only' reviews for the 1979 original: desistindo and zebehnn

Both the written reviews for the Remastered edition were NOT duplicates of written reviews for the 1979 original: Phil and Royal Jelly

I have sent PM's to desistindo and zebehnn inviting them to re-submit their 'rating only' review scores via the dedicated album page. Similarly, Phil and Royal Jelly have been asked to re-submit their written reviews using a copied version of the originals I pasted into their PMs together with their scores.

The effect of these changes to the three duplicated Henry Cow albums is barely negligible in terms of overall score (as only 4 'ratings only' reviews were lost)

However, I would like to reiterate what the Admins have stated on this type of issue several times in the past:
The current functionality of the database does NOT allow us to MERGE the reviews and ratings from one album to another and have the duplicated entries deleted automatically. This is a completely manual process that entails sending PMs to those members whose reviews are NOT duplicated, asking them to resubmit on the dedicated album page. Yep, it's bowel shatteringly tedious work and in this instance the expediency was considered permissable given the relatively small number of resubmissions required. Should similar instances of album duplication come to light in the future, the remedy will require the input of site owner Max.

It should also be self-evident that great care needs to be exercised by members to avoid adding spurious albums as once they have attracted any reviews we will have another Henry Cowpat to wade through.
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Bugger, wish I'd never started this. The Henry Cow Unrest Remastered album has been removed and references to it are now included in the releases information of the original 1974 album.

There were 14 ratings for the removed Remastered album:
11 of these were 'ratings only' reviews
3 were written reviews.

Only 3 of the 'ratings only' reviews for the Remastered edition were NOT duplicates of 'ratings only' reviews for the 1974 original: davedvd, (the curiously tylded?) ~Emin~

and a person whose user name no longer appears in the members lists ([email protected] must have asked to be deleted or was permabanned with his defunct e-mail address being the only remnants of his existence from circa Jan 2004)

Only 1 of the written reviews for the Remastered edition was NOT a duplicate of a written review for the 1974 original: that of Talkative Pear Atavachron

I have sent PM's to davedvd and Emin inviting them to re-submit their 'rating only' review scores via the dedicated album page. Similarly, Atavachron has been asked to re-submit his written review using a copied version of the original I pasted into his PM together with his score.

(cos we can't change the link of a review ID to an album ID dammitAngry)

I have neither the energy or inclination remaining to tackle Western Culture tonight (promise I'll have a look at that one tomorrow)Sleepy

Edited by ExittheLemming - February 18 2012 at 18:32
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Wait up, I've sorted Legend and the offending duplicated album is now gone and there were only 3 'ratings only' reviews not duplicated that had to be deleted (faust3rd, -gil and a ? member subsequently deleted from the site - regrettable, but they have negligible impact on the overall score as none are weighted) Only two written reviews weren't duplicated (by Phil and Burgersoft777) so I've PM'd  their (copied) reviews plus ratings and invited both to resubmit the critters on the dedicated album page.



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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

I suggested that Polo bump the Henry Cow "thing"....
Ah, I see. Sorry for the monosynaptic reflex Marco.
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I suggested that Polo bump the Henry Cow "thing"....
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Unfortunately we can't fuse two entries into one, we can just delete duplicates if they don't have reviews.
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^ OK, I'll go down to the dungeon and practice on a few prisoners first though.
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Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

O great masters of the duplicated entries removal!  I have something fun for you...actually, three somethings fun! Tongue

The band: Henry Cow
The suspect albums: Legend http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3058 and Legend (Original Mix) http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3064
Unrest http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3059 and Unrest (remastered) http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3063
Western Culture http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3061 and Western Culture (Remastered) http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3062

The tricky bits: each duplicate entry has several reviews/ratings.  Some of these reviews/ratings are by the same people who reviewed/rated the original entries (and in the case of Unrest, the reviewer simply copied his review over to the remastered version).  Would it be possible to combine each of these doubles into a single entry for each album?  It bugs me to see these unnecessary duplicates, I confess.

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Originally posted by Lynx33 Lynx33 wrote:

Duplicated entry for Up C. Please delete it. Sorry 'bout that.

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=35142


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Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

I don't know if this has been mentioned but someone added a second Porcupine Tree "Nil Returning" recently.


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I don't know if this has been mentioned but someone added a second Porcupine Tree "Nil Returning" recently.
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^ Thanks, I've sent PM to Easy Livin.
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Duplicated entry for Up C. Please delete it. Sorry 'bout that.

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=35142
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I'm afraid M@X is too busy to change PA layout. 
I'd better start a thread in collabs area.
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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

Originally posted by ProgShine ProgShine wrote:

There's really any need to post another Dark Side entry? (HERE)

I mean, isn't it better just to update the original entry? Or we'll have to add every new remaster version of every album.


We already discussed it with Easy Livin. It's not so easy to decide.
 

"Dark Side" is only the beginning. Lots of PF reissues coming: Experience Editions (2CD versions) and Immersion Editions (2CD + 2DVD + BluRay).

An we already have King Crimson reissues:
The latter already has reviews.

I wonder why nobody added "In the Wake of Poseidon" and  "Red" CD + DVD-A editions. I guess it's just a matter of time.

Formal rule is they are reissues. From the other hand, reviews of, for example, original DTSOM album mixed with 2CD + 2DVD + BluRay version reviews. Quite confusing.

Anyway we need some solution for "the wave of reissues".


Yeah, I understand, but it's really weird, maybe PA could think about something like RYM dows with editions, I mean, one page for the album but with different releases links.

Anyway, I really think Pa could use some revamp on his layout and that could be added Smile
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Originally posted by ProgShine ProgShine wrote:

There's really any need to post another Dark Side entry? (HERE)

I mean, isn't it better just to update the original entry? Or we'll have to add every new remaster version of every album.


We already discussed it with Easy Livin. It's not so easy to decide.
 

"Dark Side" is only the beginning. Lots of PF reissues coming: Experience Editions (2CD versions) and Immersion Editions (2CD + 2DVD + BluRay).

An we already have King Crimson reissues:
The latter already has reviews.

I wonder why nobody added "In the Wake of Poseidon" and  "Red" CD + DVD-A editions. I guess it's just a matter of time.

Formal rule is they are reissues. From the other hand, reviews of, for example, original DTSOM album mixed with 2CD + 2DVD + BluRay version reviews. Quite confusing.

Anyway we need some solution for "the wave of reissues".




Edited by NotAProghead - September 30 2011 at 20:50
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