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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2011 at 11:38
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I still doesn't see why Buckethead isn't in the Prog related tred, have the guys in charge of it listened to his albums? Really? So which one? I mean this has done so many things

BTW, I can't help thinking that there is some paradox on that tred, like with Metallica: 
I love that band but  it's only very slightly progressive (call of chtlu, and justice for all album, orion, some other stuffs)
compared to them even Megadeth is much more progressive and is clearly an influence for the later to come bands in the progrssive/tech metal bands, well prooves? Time signatures, complex structures and use of other stuff than the pentatonic (hangar 18 for exemple) well I won't class them as prog related though

For exemple I think Buckethead is much more progressive than Satriani, or Vai, or even Bumblefoot on certain albums, seriously he has unique style, it might not be consistent in most albums, but it(s not the point.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2011 at 13:07
Seriously, guys: it's not time to a Prog Team evaluate Buckethead?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2011 at 14:51
I remember that we were talking about him in Eclectic a bit at one time   (Moris of the Eclectic team knows him but is not currently with the site, and I think another team member knows them and wanted it in but he hasn't been really involved with the team), and of course it's been suggested that it might be better suited to prog Related, but he has a KFC bucketful of album, and I think someone who is really keen on the addition should prepare a really good proposal and provide sufficient musical samples to a team (from various albums), and coordinate with them.  I don't know if anyone has put a let of leg work into this to help a team out with the evaluation.

And I don't know if this ever was formally put to Prog Related.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2011 at 14:54
Yea, his discography is a problem. I would say some should be in prog-related, but some should go under prog-metal, eclectic prog, avant-prog, even jazz-rock/fusion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2011 at 14:56
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Yea, his discography is a problem. I would say some should be in prog-related, but some should go under prog-metal, eclectic prog, avant-prog, even jazz-rock/fusion.


Which can make him acceptable for the Eclectic category (eclectic over his discography).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2011 at 15:01
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Yea, his discography is a problem. I would say some should be in prog-related, but some should go under prog-metal, eclectic prog, avant-prog, even jazz-rock/fusion.


Which can make him acceptable for the Eclectic category (eclectic over his discography).


While this makes sense, I meant that he has whole albums that are prog metal, some completely jazz-fusion, etc... it's not like the styles are all over the place on each album (though this applies too), but that some albums are more focused. You know what I mean?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2011 at 15:04
Like Porcupine Tree, he has varying styles from album to album.

 So does that mean he should be filed under the most common genre he puts out?

Eclectic or Prog-Related makes sense to me though. Seeing both don't stamp a definitive genre on the artist.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2011 at 15:06
we should make a new sub-genere called Buckedhead-Tom-Waits-related-crossover-eclectic-prog-something-something-vaudeville-metal-with-jazz-and-stuff.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2011 at 15:07
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Yea, his discography is a problem. I would say some should be in prog-related, but some should go under prog-metal, eclectic prog, avant-prog, even jazz-rock/fusion.


Which can make him acceptable for the Eclectic category (eclectic over his discography).


While this makes sense, I meant that he has whole albums that are prog metal, some completely jazz-fusion, etc... it's not like the styles are all over the place on each album (though this applies too), but that some albums are more focused. You know what I mean?


I know what you mean, but I mean that he could be considerable for being eclectic not for individual Eclectic appropriate  albums, but for albums covering various prog category styles over his full discography -- as long as the majority of his albums don't favour one particular prog-style.  I' know that's a really clunky way that I said it.  So, for instance, to make a really simplistic example, if an artist released one (quite pure) symph prog album, one JRF album, one progressive electronic album, it could still be suitable for the Eclectic category -- not for a particular album, but over the discography.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2011 at 15:42
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Yea, his discography is a problem. I would say some should be in prog-related, but some should go under prog-metal, eclectic prog, avant-prog, even jazz-rock/fusion.


Which can make him acceptable for the Eclectic category (eclectic over his discography).


While this makes sense, I meant that he has whole albums that are prog metal, some completely jazz-fusion, etc... it's not like the styles are all over the place on each album (though this applies too), but that some albums are more focused. You know what I mean?


I know what you mean, but I mean that he could be considerable for being eclectic not for individual Eclectic appropriate  albums, but for albums covering various prog category styles over his full discography -- as long as the majority of his albums don't favour one particular prog-style.  I' know that's a really clunky way that I said it.  So, for instance, to make a really simplistic example, if an artist released one (quite pure) symph prog album, one JRF album, one progressive electronic album, it could still be suitable for the Eclectic category -- not for a particular album, but over the discography.


Gotcha. The Eclectic would be most suitable.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2011 at 17:03
Is there someone familiar with majority of his albums ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2011 at 17:06
I have 10 of his albums, and a friend of mine who is a huge Buckethead fan has almost 3 times as much, so Ive heard a good amount of his material. Some of it is just noise and dissonance with fast shred guitar; those are the albums I don't intend to get myself. His discography is all over the place
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2011 at 20:11
Well, this means someone will call the Ecletic Team to evaluate?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2011 at 20:25
I'm familiar with about 10 of his albums, but that's hardly the majority of the 106 albums he has released with various collaborations.  He covers almost every rock genre at some point, so I think that either eclectic or prog-related would be fitting.

Heres a start:

Decoding the Tomb of the Bansheebot:  progressive metal
Electric Tears:  acoustic, ambient
Crime Slunk Scene: funk metal
Inbred Mountain: experimental, progressive rock
Population Override: jazz fusion
Island of Lost Minds: experimental, avant-garde
Acoustic Shards: acoustic
Bucketheadland 2: experimental, noise
Enter the Chicken: progressive metal
Thanatopsis: jazz fusion



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2011 at 22:29
And I've heard his In Search of the... box set. It's pretty much a vast mixture of all of the previously mentioned.

Add him yet?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2011 at 22:34
Wait, he was seriously never actually evaluated? PF only has Hughes voting for him for PM, but that of course does not mean much.

And I was about to complain that this is a dead horse...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2011 at 22:56
Based on what everyone is saying, Buckethead probably belongs in Eclectic.  We have Colonel Claypool's Bucket of Bernie's Brains on queue for move from PR to Eclectic, but I'm the only one who has voted yes (because I suggested it).

The trouble is Buckethead's prolific nature.  We'll get to him eventually and somehow.  It's just daunting and we're still working our way out of a backlog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2011 at 23:05
Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

Is there someone familiar with majority of his albums ?

Probably only Buckethead himself.
Deli Creeps (demo tape)
Buckethead - Giant Robot (self-released tape)
Buckethead - Bucketheadland Blueprints (demo tape)
Henry Kaiser - Hope You Like Our New Direction
Company 91 Volume 1
Company 91 Volume 2
Company 91 Volume 3

1992
Will Ackerman - The Opening of Doors
Praxis - Transmutation (Mutatis Mutandis)
Praxis - A Taste of Mutation
Praxis - Animal Behavior
Buckethead - Bucketheadland

1993
Last Action Hero - Soundtrack
Last Action Hero - Score
MCM and the Monster - Collective Emotional Problems
Divination - Ambient Dub Volume 1
Bernie Worrell - Pieces of Woo: The Other Side
Anton Fier - Dreamspeed
Icehouse - Big Wheel
Psyber Pop - What? So What?

1994
Praxis - Sacrifist
Death Cube K - Dreamatorium
Zillatron - Lord of the Harvest
Hakim Bey - T.A.Z. (Temporary Autonomous Zone)
Praxis - Metatron
Axiom Collection - Manifestation
Axiom Ambient - Lost in the Translation
Divination - Light in Extension
Buckethead - Giant Robot
Jon Hassell and Blue Screen - Dressing for Pleasure

1995
JM Johnny Mnemonic- Soundtrack
Jonas Hellborg and Michael Shrieve - Octave of the Holy Innocents
Mortal Kombat - Score
Mortal Kombat - Soundtrack
Buckshot Le Fonque
Buckshot Le Fonque - No Pain No Gain
Axiom Funk - Funkcronomicon
Axiom Funk featuring Bootsy Collins - If 6 was 9
Julian Schnabel - Every Silver Lining has a Cloud

1996
Bill Laswell - Ambient Compendium
Icehouse - Full Circle
Alien Ambient Galaxy
Buckethead - The Day of the Robot
Stealing Beauty - Soundtrack
Giant Robot - Giant Robot NTT
Myth - Dreams of the World
Deli Creeps (demo tape)

1997
Beverly Hills Ninja - Soundtrack
Valis II - Everything Must Go
Bernie Worrell - Free Agent: A Spaced Odyssey
Guitar Zone
Praxis - Transmutation Live
Arcana - Arc of the Testimony
Mortal Kombat 2 / Annihilation - Soundtrack
Refrigerator
Refrigerator - Somehow
Praxis - Live in Poland
Guitars on Mars

1998
Pieces - I Need 5 Minutes Alone
Buckethead - Colma
Night and Day
Phonopsychograph Disk - Ancient Termites
Guitarisma 2
Great Jewish Music - A Tribute to Marc Bolan
DJ Q-Bert - Wave Twisters
New Yorker - Out Loud
Praxis - Collection
b*****d Noise/Spastic Colon
Telesterion - Hall of Mysteries

1999
Banyan - Anytime at All
Ben Wa - Devil Dub
Buckethead - Monsters and Robots
El Stew - EP
El Stew - No Hesitation
Mighty Morphin Power Rangers - Soundtrack
Cobra Strike - 13th Scroll
Death Cube K - Disembodied
Excavation - Beat Alchemy
Viggo Mortensen - One Man's Meat
Viggo Mortensen - One Less Thing to Worry About
Viggo Mortensen - The Other Parade
Phonopsychograph Disk - Unrealesed
Phonopsychograph Disk - Live @ Slim's/Turbulence Chest
Cornbugs - Spot the Psycho
Death Cube K - Tunnel
Crash Course in Music
Horizons
Music for the New Millennium

2000
Tony Furtado Band
Cobra Strike II - Y, Y + B, X + Y
Double E - Audio Men
Shin Terai - Unison

2001
Cornbugs - Cemetery Pinch
Cornbugs - How Now Brown Cow
Buckethead - KFC Skin Piles
Thanatopsis
The Freak Brothers
Praxis - Warszawa
Innerhythmic Sound System
Buckethead - Somewhere Over the Slaughterhouse
Ghosts of Mars - Soundtrack
Bill Laswell - Points of Order
Dragon Ball Z - Soundtrack
Bomb Anniversary Collection

2002
Guitars for Freedom
The Meta Collection
Scratch: The Film
Urban Revolutions
Buckethead - Funnel Weaver
Fishbone's Family Nexperience - The Friendliest Psychosis...
Buckethead - Bermuda Triangle
Buckethead - Electric Tears
Live from Bonnaroo 2002 Volume 2

2003
El Stew: The Rehearsal
Thanatopsis - Axiology
Gemini - Product of Pain
Bucketheadland 2
Freekbass - The Air is Fresher Underground
Viggo Mortensen - Pandemoniumfromamerica

2004
Cornbugs - Brain Circus
Shine - Heaven and Hell
Bucketheadland - Island of Lost Minds
Buckethead - Population Override
Buckethead - The Cuckoo Clocks of Hell
Meridiem - A Pleasant Fiction
Viggo Mortensen - Please Tomorrow
Colonel Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains -
The Big Eyeball in the Sky

Cornbugs - Donkey Town
Viggo Mortensen - This That and the Other

2005
Cornbugs - Rest Home for Robots
Blue Suenos
Gorgone
Cornbugs - Skeleton Farm
Bassnectar - Mesmerizing the Ultra
Viggo Mortensen - Intelligence Failure
Masters of Horror - Soundtrack
Buckethead and Friends - Enter the Chicken
Saw 2 - Soundtrack
Deli Creeps - Dawn of the Deli Creeps
Buckethead - Kaleidoscalp
Buckethead - Inbred Mountain

2006
Cornbugs - Celebrity Psychos
A Thanotopsis - Anatomize
Buckethead - The Elephant Man's Alarm Clock
Praxis - Zurich
Gigi - Gold and Wax
Buckethead and Travis Dickerson - Chicken Noodles
Bootsy Collins - Christmas is 4 Ever
Buckethead - Crime Slunk Scene

2007
Buckethead - In Search of The
Buckethead - Pepper's Ghost
Buckethead - Acoustic Shards
Praxis - Tennessee 2004
Shine E - Light Years
Death Cube K - Death Cube K
Method of Defiance -Inamorata
Brain and Buckethead - Kevin's Noodle House
Buckethead - Cyborg Slunks
Buckethead - Decoding the Tomb of Bansheebot
Death Cube K - Monolith
Buckethead and Travis Dickerson - Chicken Noodles II

2008
Buckethead and Viggo Mortenson - At All
Buckethead - From the Coop
Alix Lambert and Travis Dickerson - Running after Deer
Buckethead - Albino Slug
Buckethead, Travis, and Brain - The Dragons of Eden
Frankenstein Brothers - Bolt on Neck
Science Faxtion - Living on Another Frequency
Guns N' Roses - Chinese Democracy
Praxis - Profanation

2009
Buckethead - Slaughterhouse on the Prairie

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2011 at 04:53
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Based on what everyone is saying, Buckethead probably belongs in Eclectic.  We have Colonel Claypool's Bucket of Bernie's Brains on queue for move from PR to Eclectic, but I'm the only one who has voted yes (because I suggested it).

The trouble is Buckethead's prolific nature.  We'll get to him eventually and somehow.  It's just daunting and we're still working our way out of a backlog.

It is probably better to add 20 "smaller" artists than one big - Buckethead. You'll get to it eventually, the important thing is that the work progresses.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2011 at 04:58

The only thing I can add here is that he was rejected for Prog Metal more then 3 years ago.
At least one of the Yes votes dates after the conclusion but even so the decision must have been obvious

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