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Points: 65616 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2011 at 17:42
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Well "well" is a subjective concept, but I have to take issue with "as often". Perhaps not quite as literal, but there have been an enormous number of movies lately about manchildren growing up, as well as things like Superbad and Juno. Granted, those aren't really as kid friendly as The Wizard of Oz, but the stratification of children's movies (outside of Pixar) seems obvious when you consider the impact of merchandising.
And I don't know if I would classify Wizard of Oz as a coming of age movie. She only accomplishes anything by accident and doesn't even really learn anything.
Agree with HP (ShockedEmbarrassed)Wink...
 the "coming of age" theme is a very common and classic in all western literatures, beit in terms of carttoon/comics, film or books... and even in some prog concepts (Crime Of The Century, Tommy, Quadrophenia, WYWH, TAAB, Bat Out Of Hell or Lamb Lies down, etc...)
 
And i'm also puzzled as to what Wizzard Of Oz does in this list.... We could even put alic In Wonderland in that case

how could either one of you be puzzled why Oz may be considered coming-of-age; it's not just Dorothy who grows up

as to Henry's main comment, yes, the films probably aren't quite as friendly or "sweet" today
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Points: 13298 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2011 at 17:46
How about The Odyssey? Both the poem and the film, I guess. That's one of the more "classic" forms of coming of age (there's a nice-n-pretty literary term for COA stories, which I forget) IIRC.
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Points: 65616 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2011 at 17:49
Originally posted by Formentera Lady Formentera Lady wrote:

I did not know the genre C.O.A.existed...Embarrassed. Ok, I'll try:
Rebel Without a Cause

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Points: 65616 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2011 at 17:55
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I really like Harold and Maude - and itīs not only because of the beautiful Cat Stevenīs songWink

yeah it's one of the best CoA films ever.. I don't think the soundtrack is currently in print but most of those songs are on Classics Vol. 24   http://www.amazon.com/Classics-24-Cat-Stevens/dp/B000002G95
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Points: 65616 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2011 at 17:58
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Alice in the Cities 

One of my favorites from Wenders.  

Do you know The Tin Drum ? (by Schlondorff)
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Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2011 at 18:39
Originally posted by Andyman1125 Andyman1125 wrote:

How about The Odyssey? Both the poem and the film, I guess. That's one of the more "classic" forms of coming of age (there's a nice-n-pretty literary term for COA stories, which I forget) IIRC.

I would kind of hesitate to call it a coming of age tell for many reasons

This being one:


And that I think his loss of innocence would have occurred sometime during the slaughter of the Trojans during the 10 years before that, if not earlier.
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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure (Search your feelings. You know it to be true).


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Beavis and Butthead Do America
Wayne's World
The Breakfast Club
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Andyman1125 Andyman1125 wrote:

How about The Odyssey? Both the poem and the film, I guess. That's one of the more "classic" forms of coming of age (there's a nice-n-pretty literary term for COA stories, which I forget) IIRC.

I would kind of hesitate to call it a coming of age tell for many reasons

This being one:


And that I think his loss of innocence would have occurred sometime during the slaughter of the Trojans during the 10 years before that, if not earlier.


I'm talking about Telemachus, not Odysseus. I probably should have clarified LOL
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Bildungsroman, that's the literary term.
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Although she's not technically young, Black Swan is an amazing story about the loss and rediscovery of innocence. One of my favorite movies in the last few years. 
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Points: 65616 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2011 at 19:45
 ^ I have to say I didn't like Black Swan, I felt like I was watching Flashdance if it'd been directed by Kubrick

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

The Breakfast Club
a lot of fun this one, and a great soundtrack


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Points: 34550 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2011 at 19:49
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

The Graduate


I reckon that is perhaps the classic.


Related note: how about Fight Club?
Not quite how we think of it...as it's been said that is more for the 32 year old than the 22 year old, but in it's twisted way it does reflect the transition into adulthood for my generation. A jobless, bleak adulthood that is dominated by consumerism and no identity!
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 ^ agreed--  a very significant movie, and a breakthrough part for Norton
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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

 Related note: how about Fight Club?
Not quite how we think of it...as it's been said that is more for the 32 year old than the 22 year old, but in it's twisted way it does reflect the transition into adulthood for my generation. A jobless, bleak adulthood that is dominated by consumerism and no identity!

On the contrary, Fight Club presents rebellion against prosperity because the people in it need to grow the f**k up. It is no longer nearly as relevant now that the "The Great Depression is our lives" is now actually a literal depression.

However, I do think that emotional maturity counts just as much, if not more, than physical maturity, so it counts because it resolves the many emotional issues that were holding him in a state of perpetual adolescence. I would classify the manchild movies I referred to earlier in the same category even though they aren't very similar in most ways.
 
Originally posted by Andyman1125 Andyman1125 wrote:

I'm talking about Telemachus, not Odysseus. I probably should have clarified LOL

I wrote that post and then realized that is probably what you were talking about and deleted it.
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Over the Edge
The Secret Garden
Fiddler on the Roof
Fanny and Alexander
The Last Mimzy
Little Miss Sunshine
Clerks
Spirited Away
Ponette
Cleo from 5 to 7
Memoirs of a Geisha
Once
Bridge to Teribithia
Ghost World
...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Memoirs of a Geisha is a fine novel.  The movie failed to do it justice.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Alice in the Cities 

One of my favorites from Wenders.  

Do you know The Tin Drum ? (by Schlondorff)



Yes. 
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Points: 34550 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2011 at 01:21
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

 ^ agreed--  a very significant movie, and a breakthrough part for Norton


Indeed, and short response to Henry: Like I said it's not "really" coming of age as we know it but still....I see the relevance. Personally, I DO see it as accurate for us. Not that we're gunna go insane and start fight clubs to get out anger but well...we are coming of age Henners in a pretty bleak state, and FC feels like it's accurate of our country, ya know? Well guess you don't because I'm not sure but makes sense in my head.
yadda yadda who knows



Also, another class CoA is The Breakfast Club. I never saw it until I was in college and not as powerful as I'd think years back, (and ok kinda cliched) but it's a pretty good movie.



Edited by JJLehto - October 01 2011 at 01:22
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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Indeed, and short response to Henry: Like I said it's not "really" coming of age as we know it but still....I see the relevance. Personally, I DO see it as accurate for us. Not that we're gunna go insane and start fight clubs to get out anger but well...we are coming of age Henners in a pretty bleak state, and FC feels like it's accurate of our country, ya know? Well guess you don't because I'm not sure but makes sense in my head. 
yadda yadda who knows

I agree it's relevant for the thread, but it is not really relevant for 2011. Tyler Durden saw modern society as antiseptic, orderly, and grinding. There was no real risk in your life, you just needed to work at a corporation for 50 years, pounding away every day in mediocre paperwork, and then die of diabetes in a retirement home, spending your final days watching reruns of Matlock. He wanted to live in a world where your survival was not guaranteed, and thus every day was uncertain and thus exciting. So he injected chaos into everything he could and attempted to bring down modern civilization. Well guess what? Your life is pretty uncertain, America is crumbling, and that soul-crushing job looks a lot better when you have been unemployed for 3 years. Next time you're in McDonald's, look at the poster for the Monopoly promotion. Assuming they're all the same, it will say "Lose the second job--one million dollars". We are no longer living in the world he was rebelling against. I think Tyler would be very happy with the progress we've made without him and would be firebombing buildings at Tea Party rallies and Occupy Wall St. 

(And the whole point of the movie was that he was wrong, anyway...)
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Points: 22774 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2011 at 06:40
Friday?

I don't really know about any coming of age films.
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