What was it like in the 60's and 70's?

They investigated Lilith Sinclair and members of her group which during 1971 were a pre-"Temple of Set" In 1972 she officially formed the "Temple of Set" with her husband Michael Aquino.They searched the young man's room and discovered something specific in the literature they  and ....also names that were written on paper. This evidence above every other evident discovery caused Charles Pangburn to conduct the 2 year investigation. Sinclair had revolted against Anton in the Church of Satan and traveled to the east coast reaching Vineland N.J where the "Palace of Depression" had been designed and built by the eccentric George Dayner in 1932. It was built from junk parts, car parts as such it was a beautiful shock and glory for the county. The palace attracted witches and Satan cults to our town. One particular underground Satan worshippers sect had settled in Vineland and posed in a church. They were very wealthy and owned some mansions where they held their meetings. Lilith Sinclair was the person in question. The young man's ritual derived from the works of Colin De Plancey. This was more of a Judeo-Christian concept. They were basing the investigation through the observation that Sinclair was practicing Judeo-Christian concepts and was forbidden by the Church of Satan. The young man 21 years of age told the 2 boys that he needed to die violently so he could return as a captain to rule over 40 legions of demons. Many followers of witchcraft or Satan belief dispute this being any sort of ritual whatsoever. However it could have been that the victim discovered a secret in the literature or maybe he wanted to gain the philosopher's stone. He was quite delusional to trust some ritual in a book. They elderly sect fled after the investigation died due to the lack of physical evidence on the young man's body. 

 

In 1974 a Satan cult were spotted on Mays Landing Rd. in Vineland N.J repeating the tragic ritual of 71'. Two friends noticed they had 2 members tied and bound and walking them into a lake.  The passenger ran to call the police and the driver confronted the cult. They stood and screamed at each other for a few minutes until the cult heard police sirens and so they fled. Vineland was infested with Satan cults for decades. There was the Black Magic ritual which Juan Rivera Aponte performed on a young boy in 1957. Aponte was a farmhand on Mill road where he fell in love with the farmer's daughter. He murdered a 13 year old boy and buried the body underneath a shack. He cut out the skull and hanged it to dry. He needed a powdered skull for the ritual to work. First police put the father ..the farmer behind bars and that went on for 6 months until they suspected Aponte. Aponte confessed.

 

Then in 1962 out in Mill Woods the third generation Watchtower Society was mentally abusing a young girl. The society were given RX's by doctors in the area. The girl was kept in a trance while they channeled demons through her. This was done next to a snake pit in Mill Woods and about 6 miles from my house. There were also a couple of vampire cults in Vineland during the 90's. One was picked up by the local police after a phone call from a distressed parent concerned over her son's state of mind. The young boy had been transported in their van and molested several times. The cult leader showed up in court dressed in a cape and a pancake make-up job on his face. Some members were sent to the Ancora Psychiatric Hospital.

 

There were underground tunnels and underground chambers located in a few abandoned farmland fields. There was worship there and also a kind of headquarters which was the elderly and rich sect from 1971. Headquarters was in a mansion. These were the higher ups. Barbara Hutton whose family owned the Woolworth Five and Dime stores owned a venue which was about a 30 minute drive from Vineland. She was interested in the spirit world. She was an actress who at one time was married to Cary Grant. Her venue featured original rock bands, black mirrors, and a staff dressed in black cloaks. The place had been designed exactly like a particular Spanish castle in history , but the name doesn't come to mind. The county tried everything to close her down and failed due to her money power. The castle was cool....I just don't take lightly walking into this place with my guitar and there is a girl outside the venue chanting while she's holding a rat. I suspected in the past that Hutton was connected to the elderly sect in Vineland 

 

And it just repeats over the years like a disease. It was so vast in the 70's and even as a child during the 60's I remember running away with friends to the woods and discovering animal remains, pentagrams drawn in the dirt, black candle stubs, etc...and this went on always. So we all knew something was terribly wrong then as kids and tried to live with it...by just being kids and going off in our own world. But the murder of the young man in our school scared us into finding a job and moving away from the county quickly even before hitting the age of 18. There wasn't anything that could control them. If the cops had evidence...it was thrown out of court. They would sometimes have evidence to bust a cult leader here and there...but they never had enough power to overthrow the source which is telling. All the many times I would cruise around with a friend at night and sight 4 different Satan cults in a 2 hour period and all spottings would be far apart ranging in miles of 20 or 30 in distance from each other. Sometimes you could spot the fire and then the later...the cloaks. Sometimes they got a little daring and lit black candles which were spotted at the entrance of a path leading into the woods. All of my old classmates who were a witness to the murder in 71' have a dead pan look on their face and are lost. They never recovered from that experience. Vineland has been infested with a nightmare for decades. It is defined as "Hiding In Plainsight". A diversion of tattling on others to take attention away from what they themselves do. It's a kind of duo worship. God in the day vs. Satan of the night.

 

Steve Jublou wrote an article on his nightmarish experience at Menantico Sandwash in 70'. He was camping with his brother and heard a sing song chanting that developed into screams of worship. I couldn't wait for someone to write this article because I remembering hearing that in the woods with friends. It was always across the field beyond the wooded area of our camp. We would run to the edge of the woods and kneel down hearing chants and strange cries. They either used 55 gallon oil cans for drums or actual kettle drums ....but it was always extremely loud like Steve puts it....the slave driven gallery in Ben Hur. Alright I'm signing off....but think about this : The history of Satan cults, witchcraft, JW's, the ritual killings, the investigations, the victims..in Vineland traced back to the 50's is telling. The 60's and 70's were a nightmare for me and a few friends as we couldn't wait till we were teens and get the H out of there. Old cult, young cult,...it was a bit like the Dark Shadows series to me. I can tell you ..I wasn't fond of it.

 

 

The reason why many kids that perform a tragic act like this commit suicide behind bars is the from the pressure of the FBI.  The FBI must investigate further to see if it's just a fringe group in the woods strung out on dope and thinking sadistic acts are a method of feeling special or if the kids were brainwashed by an elderly sect....like the kids in my hometown. You couldn't make it on the outside if you turned people in and were an x-mob member unless the witness protection program came into the picture as it did with Henry Hill ....which I don't know his entire story....but anyway....if you were a kid and had been brainwashed by a sect like this ....how would you make it on the outside if you were to turn important members in? If you turn one person in...then you've got to deal with the next one in line and so forth. So they will simply put an end to their life in jail rather than making the choice of being released in 10 years and being hunted down. Some kids who are members of a sect ..yet have nothing to do with a murder are released after so much time goes by and people forget. But not the sect. They may very well go after the person later in life just to keep a sacred bond in the sect. Just to clean it all up and be rid of the dirty past. Obviously there are and were Satan cults formed by the local punks who are on their personal mission and have zero to do with higher ranks. Not my experience at all because this was in 1971 before that pattern existed. Yet that is what precisely confuses society into believing there is nothing more than that.   

 

I never thought of it as cliquey, although in Madison there used to be a nasty rift between the ROTC and the rest of the folks that liked the new music. It was almost like someone at ROTC could not like Jimi, or Janis ... it was the stupidest thing and the most un-educated thing I ever saw in my life.

 

It was way too separatist for my tastes, but then, most black music in America, was quite cliquey until Michael Jackson came along and you saw a larger mix than anyone else. To me, this is Michael's most important legacy of all.

 

Experimentation was easier in Europe than America, what with their music history of hundreds of years. America spent its history killing the culture that was here, and then hide the black culture and this preventeda lot of things from making it to the front. Europe, at least, had some appreciation for the musicianship, which is something that America still lacks. For all intents and purposes Charlie Daniels is still a better fiddler than most wahoos out there playing the violin to some piece of classical music. Or Doug Kershaw.

 

I di think that a lot more of this age, time and place, will be much more appreciated long after we are gone. Even the folks in this board are afraid to discuss those social elements that helped drive the music. And I think that too many of the long cuts in the early days of the Fillmore and such, are all forgotten because people were too damn stoned ... and the record companies never released these things and killed them. Even the Grateful Dead, the masters of the long cut that used to play all night long, is not remembered for that "tripping" any more ... it's more remembered for its hippy scene ... which brings down the music itself, and the members left are not musically adventurous a whole lot. Maybe Mickey, but even then, you rarely hear that on the GD albums!

 

America, is really 4 or 5 countries in one, and therein lies the problem, otherwise the New York artistic scene would be remembered much better than it is, or the SF scene or the LA scene, or the New Orleans scene. Instead you get these cliques of music, like R&this and that, and the "traditional" stuff that is found in many areas. As a sad example, of the whole thing, Return to Forever and Zappa plays Zappa played in Eugene, OR, not Portland, OR which is a much bigger place, but has always been very "traditional" and old music minded in order to even appreciate the great music both those bands were playing ... but the Rose Garden will not spare you Rob Zombie or Brittany Spears.

 

It's notcliquey ... it's just musically uneducated. We had the same issue at KTYD with Guy Guden and his Space Pirate Radio show ... but it will be a cold day in hell that many of those folks in there will actually appreciate the work that was done. And there was one of the other DJ's that interrupted Guy one time while playing Golden Earring, and said that it wasn't rock'n'roll, to which Guy stopped the record and then wound it back up and said ... "who cares? It's great music!" ... and to this day, something like that is still an issue! By the way, the name of the song was "Are You Receiving Me?" in case it matters to you some.

 

It's about the music, not the "scene" or the "style" and this is the popularity contest that many folks can not get away from in this country and eventually will stop listening to it. Met one old friend from school and all he could think of was ... we were such kids then ... and the music did not mean anything!

 

I don't see any difference, even today. I look at us here on this board as the difference makers, although I am not sure that most of them think of themselves likewise.