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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

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Mellotron, Mani is a monster on the drums. I love that his drumming is very loose, but relentless at the same time Evil Smile. He drums like he's stoned, maybe he is?? Because of you guys I'm listening to a lot more Amon Duul II, and now listening to Wolf City.

My favorites in Krautrock is CAN, Faust, and Neu!. Speaking of Popol Vuh, recently I have acquired the taste for PV. I'm listening to In Den Garten Pharoahs, and it is better now than when I first heard it. I guess I didn't have the patience for that ambient kraut sound. I started getting into the more ambient side of Kraut after listening to, and really liking Traummachine by Ash Ra Tempel.



Iīm with you on Mani! Being a drummer myself I tend to fall for the more messy players. Those also happen to be them who throws themselves into the drums. If you see Gavin Harrison or Neil Peart playing the drums, youīll see two stoic figures behind the kit, whereas a guy like Mani and Schulze for that matter use their whole upper-body, thereby also making mistakes. BUT to me that is the best thing - when musicians use their mistakes - deliberately seeks them out. Jimi Hendrix did...

BTW nice youīre getting into Popol Vuh and some of that creepy crawly ambient Kraut - I had a hard time getting into that stuff as well, but now it seems to be the stuff I enjoy the most - go figure. 


I'm so with you on the whole messy drumming! Being a drummer myself Embarrassed I too enjoy that these drummers mistakes are seen, but in a very good way. It wasn't bad, but there was so much going on, it felt like part of the music anyways. My favorite drummer is Klaus Dinger. I just love his motorik style, very simple, but precise. It's hard to play the way he does, but when I listen to him play, I know what he is doing.
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^ Haha nice! So you probably heard it through his awesome set up!?



I have Faust 71 Minutes, and I had this song on the other day, eating at the school cafeteria. Everyone and everything felt so mechanical and robotic, watching the people walk and talk, I felt like I was not apart of the world, but that I was watching it...Wacko great stuff. 
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The first third ones were my favourite ones but i had a listening to Fragments at Oliverstoned home last week, great album too Wink
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Iīm glad Iīm not the only one then...

I recently talked to Logan about that Docteur Faust album, that you donīt particularly like (LOL), but were we both had found some sort of way into this album by listening to it at the seashore. 

I love that Malesch album, but more than often I tend to grab for the pink oneBig smile
 
The pink what ?
I think "Last" might be my favourite recording by them.It's just so different from the rest.We get a more dynamic sound at times to more of a Tangerine Dream electronic soundscapes.It just really clicks with me.
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This one needs more love


 
Thanks for that Karl ! Yeah i gave that one five stars.I can't believe it didn't get released back in the seventies when it was recorded,but at least we finally get to hear it.Amazing album !
Nice jagged edgey album there. Have to hear more of this ASAP.
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Here's one of my favourite tracks from 1970:

Now that really is raw KW. I had not heard that one, then again I dont have the debut KW as of yet. Will get hold of it soon hopefully.
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^I love that track. Itīs a pity that most people only know their later work like the Europe Express and Man Machine. Those 3 first albums are pure and brilliant Kraut to me. 
 
There you go again confirming what i've said for yearsLOL.I'm sure you love that ORGANISATION album too,or were you including that ? Love their early stuff.Apparently they aren't too fond of their early stuff and refuse to re-issue them.

I wasnīt actually, but now that I think of it - yeah, the first 4 albums are brilliant examples of early KrautrockWink

Maybe they think  the cybotronic lifeless and sterile world theyīve managed to conjure up during the past 35 years will be disturbed and somehow become ambiguous? I donīt know, but itīs a shame that they discredit their own legacy, just because their tastes have changed. I hate when artists do that!      
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Originally posted by Bonnek Bonnek wrote:


This one needs more love


 
Thanks for that Karl ! Yeah i gave that one five stars.I can't believe it didn't get released back in the seventies when it was recorded,but at least we finally get to hear it.Amazing album !
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Originally posted by The Wrinkler The Wrinkler wrote:

Mellotron, Mani is a monster on the drums. I love that his drumming is very loose, but relentless at the same time Evil Smile. He drums like he's stoned, maybe he is?? Because of you guys I'm listening to a lot more Amon Duul II, and now listening to Wolf City.

My favorites in Krautrock is CAN, Faust, and Neu!. Speaking of Popol Vuh, recently I have acquired the taste for PV. I'm listening to In Den Garten Pharoahs, and it is better now than when I first heard it. I guess I didn't have the patience for that ambient kraut sound. I started getting into the more ambient side of Kraut after listening to, and really liking Traummachine by Ash Ra Tempel.


 
I'm playing catchup here guys so forgive me for all the posts.
Andrew that's a great way to describe Mani's drumming.He's like a man possessed isn't he ? Yet like you say he's loose at the same time. Would you believe that FAUST only recently clicked with me.I never could get past the experimental aspect of their music until recently.Hey that's their thing right ?
Love CAN and POPOL VUH and i  was just thinking the other day i haven't listened to NEU! for a while.
Hey you mention Traummachine(German for Dream-machine) do you have "Join Inn" ? I think you'd like the second side long track on that one as well.
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

^I love that track. Itīs a pity that most people only know their later work like the Europe Express and Man Machine. Those 3 first albums are pure and brilliant Kraut to me. 
 
There you go again confirming what i've said for yearsLOL.I'm sure you love that ORGANISATION album too,or were you including that ? Love their early stuff.Apparently they aren't too fond of their early stuff and refuse to re-issue them.
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^AAAARRGGHH Youīre killing me man!LOL 
The more I get to know about music, the more interested I get - and wubdiduhh bang thereīs 5 new albums on my shelf...
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Wow, that's 3 more for your list man, or the nice IEM Box re-issue (from last year I think)
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Sadly no - I havenīt heard them yet. Too little time and money I guessEmbarrassed

Edited by Guldbamsen - September 07 2011 at 12:59
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^^  I guess you must also be a dedicated fan of IEM then Thumbs Up


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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Originally posted by jean-marie jean-marie wrote:

Originally posted by PROGMAN PROGMAN wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

^I love that track. Itīs a pity that most people only know their later work like the Europe Express and Man Machine. Those 3 first albums are pure and brilliant Kraut to me. 


Florian Schneider's flute, Klaus Dinger's motorik drumming, Ralf Hutter's hammond effects were for me personally the main sounds of early Kraftwerk.

They did some awesome live stuff in 1971 with Michael Rother on guitar, with a hard, distorted sound.
                                                                 I love what Rother did later, quite different for sure Wink some call it musak but for me it's beautiful music

I love Flammende HerzenBig smile and itīs with Jaki Liebezeit too!!!     Yes !!! this one and the two following others Smile

I didnīt know that. Jaki has played with so many people - itīs hard to keep track of! Is one of them called Katzenmusik?
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Originally posted by Bonnek Bonnek wrote:


This one needs more love




Brilliant! 
Heīs certainly going on my never-ending list. Thanks Bonnek! 
BTW I read your Metanoia review, and Iīm glad Iīm not the only one who thinks itīs a terrific experiment! Almost Krautrock on that one.  
 



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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Originally posted by jean-marie jean-marie wrote:

Originally posted by PROGMAN PROGMAN wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

^I love that track. Itīs a pity that most people only know their later work like the Europe Express and Man Machine. Those 3 first albums are pure and brilliant Kraut to me. 


Florian Schneider's flute, Klaus Dinger's motorik drumming, Ralf Hutter's hammond effects were for me personally the main sounds of early Kraftwerk.

They did some awesome live stuff in 1971 with Michael Rother on guitar, with a hard, distorted sound.
                                                                 I love what Rother did later, quite different for sure Wink some call it musak but for me it's beautiful music

I love Flammende HerzenBig smile and itīs with Jaki Liebezeit too!!!     Yes !!! this one and the two following others Smile
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Originally posted by jean-marie jean-marie wrote:

Originally posted by PROGMAN PROGMAN wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

^I love that track. Itīs a pity that most people only know their later work like the Europe Express and Man Machine. Those 3 first albums are pure and brilliant Kraut to me. 


Florian Schneider's flute, Klaus Dinger's motorik drumming, Ralf Hutter's hammond effects were for me personally the main sounds of early Kraftwerk.

They did some awesome live stuff in 1971 with Michael Rother on guitar, with a hard, distorted sound.
                                                                 I love what Rother did later, quite different for sure Wink some call it musak but for me it's beautiful music

I love Flammende HerzenBig smile and itīs with Jaki Liebezeit too!!!
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Originally posted by The Wrinkler The Wrinkler wrote:

Mellotron, Mani is a monster on the drums. I love that his drumming is very loose, but relentless at the same time Evil Smile. He drums like he's stoned, maybe he is?? Because of you guys I'm listening to a lot more Amon Duul II, and now listening to Wolf City.

My favorites in Krautrock is CAN, Faust, and Neu!. Speaking of Popol Vuh, recently I have acquired the taste for PV. I'm listening to In Den Garten Pharoahs, and it is better now than when I first heard it. I guess I didn't have the patience for that ambient kraut sound. I started getting into the more ambient side of Kraut after listening to, and really liking Traummachine by Ash Ra Tempel.



Iīm with you on Mani! Being a drummer myself I tend to fall for the more messy players. Those also happen to be them who throws themselves into the drums. If you see Gavin Harrison or Neil Peart playing the drums, youīll see two stoic figures behind the kit, whereas a guy like Mani and Schulze for that matter use their whole upper-body, thereby also making mistakes. BUT to me that is the best thing - when musicians use their mistakes - deliberately seeks them out. Jimi Hendrix did...

BTW nice youīre getting into Popol Vuh and some of that creepy crawly ambient Kraut - I had a hard time getting into that stuff as well, but now it seems to be the stuff I enjoy the most - go figure. 
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