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Posted: August 18 2011 at 23:50 |
New page, OH WHAT TO DO NOW
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: August 18 2011 at 23:51 |
6000x7000 and 2 mb, I am not impressed.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Posted: August 18 2011 at 23:57 |
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 00:05 |
Trying to open a Hubble telescope image to inline ITT. Not working out so well.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 00:15 |
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Yeah, they don't just let you link the whole thing, it's progressive zoom. The government has to pay the bills.
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 00:43 |
what do Americans
think of Judge Judy i think she is a bit arrogant, but i am not American so i cannot
voice my opinion in a very believable sense, but also Judge Judy can be a bit
rude and arrogant,
I am also shocked to have watched the original Law & Order episode advocate and
defend death penalty, in one episode, even if it defies any moral standards,
not that i ride a particularly tall horse but i am a rider of morality, and a
knight of bound by pure ethical judgment, out of ethical bounds i get a bad
taste in my mouth when a series i like is talking in "necessary"
terms of using death p, when it is one of the coldest things a society can do
to a citizens, yes it is easy to judge or opinionate that guys such as Breivik
should be put our of existence but that would make the society look as much
cold and calculated as the criminal himself, noooo let the criminal be anchios (fish) and feel the gripping and tormenting claws of
the bureaucratic juridical system of a social-democratic, yet totally independent
by constitutionalized court system of Norge
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A Person
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 00:46 |
aginor wrote:
what do Americans
think of Judge Judy
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I personally don't.
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Icarium
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 00:47 |
don't what think of her or think about her, or think on her, or think under or above her, in-between her.
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stonebeard
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aginor wrote:
what do Americans
think of Judge Judy i think she is a bit arrogant, but i am not American so i cannot
voice my opinion in a very believable sense, but also Judge Judy can be a bit
rude and arrogant, |
No one cares about her
aginor wrote:
I am also shocked to have watched the original Law & Order episode advocate and
defend death penalty, in one episode, even if it defies any moral standards,
not that i ride a particularly tall horse but i am a rider of morality, and a
knight of bound by pure ethical judgment, out of ethical bounds i get a bad
taste in my mouth when a series i like is talking in "necessary"
terms of using death p, when it is one of the coldest things a society can do
to a citizens, yes it is easy to judge or opinionate that guys such as Breivik
should be put our of existence but that would make the society look as much
cold and calculated as the criminal himself, noooo let the criminal be anchios (fish) and feel the gripping and tormenting claws of
the bureaucratic juridical system of a social-democratic, yet totally independent
by constitutionalized court system of Norge |
There's a lot to be said in favor of abolishing the death penalty, but I cannot conceive that murdering a mass-murderer instead of propping him up in a decent cell for all of 20 years (or god forbid longer) on the taxpayer dollar is equal to his initial trespass.
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Icarium
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 01:03 |
stonebeard wrote:
I am also shocked to have watched the original Law & Order episode advocate and
defend death penalty, in one episode, even if it defies any moral standards,
not that i ride a particularly tall horse but i am a rider of morality, and a
knight of bound by pure ethical judgment, out of ethical bounds i get a bad
taste in my mouth when a series i like is talking in "necessary"
terms of using death p, when it is one of the coldest things a society can do
to a citizens, yes it is easy to judge or opinionate that guys such as Breivik
should be put our of existence but that would make the society look as much
cold and calculated as the criminal himself, noooo let the criminal be anchios (fish) and feel the gripping and tormenting claws of
the bureaucratic juridical system of a social-democratic, yet totally independent
by constitutionalized court system of Norge
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There's a lot to be said in favor of abolishing the death penalty, but I cannot conceive that murdering a mass-murderer instead of propping him up in a decent cell for all of 20 years (or god forbid longer) on the taxpayer dollar is equal to his initial trespass.
[/QUOTE] i somehow agree in one way but another is that we shouldent become hasty in our judgement, hte norwegain juridical system is much the same as Fangorn forest and its inhabitans the Ents, it must be discussed, and must be discussed and analysed thouroughly before making any rushed mooves, agian i would not shed a tear if he was executed, but that is just not how things are done here, the juridical system is as cold and slow as ABB himself or even more so, and that is more of a torture then a poisned needle ![Clown Clown](smileys/smiley8.gif) , bureaucracy is colder then the coldest mass murderer and way more calculated and unpredictable in its predictabilaty, ![Shocked Shocked](smileys/smiley3.gif) ![Shocked Shocked](smileys/smiley3.gif) i think one should reopen the sentence of banishment ![Big smile Big smile](smileys/smiley4.gif) , or make the individual feel the wreath of being (sorry norwegian interuption) Fredløshed var i vikingetiden og middelalderen en straf, der blev brugt ved meget grove forbrydelser.
Retsvirkningerne af fredløshed indebar,
- at den fredløse ansvarsfrit kunne dræbes,
- at der ligeledes uden ansvar kunne tilføjes ham anden personlig overlast,
- at den fredløse betragtedes som død, og alle de retsforhold, i hvilke han var part, opløstes ved fredløshed af sig selv,
- at den fredløses formue blev ødelagt eller konfiskeret af det
offentlige efter, at mulige private krav på den, navnlig fra den
krænkedes side, forinden var tilgodesete,
- at den fredløse ikke blot var udelukket fra at forsvare sig selv,
han kunne overhovedet ikke optræde i nogen proces, heller ikke som vidne
eller mededsmand,
- at i tilfælde af ægteskab betragtedes hans hustru som enke og hans
børn som faderløse, og fødte hans hustru ham børn under den tid, hvor en
dom var gældende, behandledes disse som uægte,
- at han udtrådte af enhver forbindelse med sin slægt, der var
uberettiget til at yde ham den beskyttelse, en mand ellers fandt hos
sine frænder.
Der var også straf for at huse en fredløs.
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 01:14 |
I'm surprised that so many people think of a jail sentence as a punishment instead of a practical method of keeping potentially harmful individuals away from the society until they can (if possible) be rehabilitated as productive citizens who make money for the state and the capitalist system.
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 01:18 |
Vompatti wrote:
I'm surprised that so many people think of a jail sentence as a punishment instead of a practical method of keeping potentially harmful individuals away from the society until they can (if possible) be rehabilitated as productive citizens who make money for the state and the capitalist system.
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So you think we should rehabilitate criminals instead of just punishing them, q.m.
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 01:23 |
A Person wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
I'm surprised that so many people think of a jail sentence as a punishment instead of a practical method of keeping potentially harmful individuals away from the society until they can (if possible) be rehabilitated as productive citizens who make money for the state and the capitalist system.
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So you think we should rehabilitate criminals instead of just punishing them, q.m.
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I don't think the state particularly benefits from punishing criminals, so we should punish them only to the extent which would be necessary to somewhat please the majority of vengeful citizens.
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 01:30 |
I would think being in a prison with all them other prisoners would be punishment enough yerrrrrrd?
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 01:31 |
Vompatti wrote:
A Person wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
I'm surprised that so many people think of a jail sentence as a punishment instead of a practical method of keeping potentially harmful individuals away from the society until they can (if possible) be rehabilitated as productive citizens who make money for the state and the capitalist system.
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So you think we should rehabilitate criminals instead of just punishing them, q.m.
| I don't think the state particularly benefits from punishing criminals, so we should punish them only to the extent which would be necessary to somewhat please the majority of vengeful citizens. |
i agree k, that is moraly and ethicly the best thing to do, vengence is never good, though it can be felt good in the moment but you will feel (if you are empaticly well equiped) bad afterwards, a bit dissy, guily (yourself) for lowering yourself to the killers standard. (i ride my tall horse)
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 01:51 |
Vompatti wrote:
I'm surprised that so many people think of a jail sentence as a punishment instead of a practical method of keeping potentially harmful individuals away from the society until they can (if possible) be rehabilitated as productive citizens who make money for the state and the capitalist system.
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I don't particularly care about pumping a bunch of tax dollars into maybe possibly rehabilitating a bunch of maniac murderers.
Then again, the whole process of the death penalty takes a lot of time and money and effort too.
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 01:55 |
stonebeard wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
I'm surprised that so many people think of a jail sentence as a punishment instead of a practical method of keeping potentially harmful individuals away from the society until they can (if possible) be rehabilitated as productive citizens who make money for the state and the capitalist system.
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I don't particularly care about pumping a bunch of tax dollars into maybe possibly rehabilitating a bunch of maniac murderers.
Then again, the whole process of the death penalty takes a lot of time and money and effort too. |
Keeping the criminal in jail for the rest of his life often seems like the best solution.
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 01:59 |
Vompatti wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
I'm surprised that so many people think of a jail sentence as a punishment instead of a practical method of keeping potentially harmful individuals away from the society until they can (if possible) be rehabilitated as productive citizens who make money for the state and the capitalist system.
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I don't particularly care about pumping a bunch of tax dollars into maybe possibly rehabilitating a bunch of maniac murderers.
Then again, the whole process of the death penalty takes a lot of time and money and effort too. | Keeping the criminal in jail for the rest of his life often seems like the best solution. |
I'm not sure. It's more ambiguous for different crimes, but really...I should have to contribute tax money to keep a murderer alive for his entire life? That's what's happening? Sure there's a lot of ways to reduce taxes anyway, but the possibility of that ridiculous to me. In cases where there is overwhelming evidence that there was first-degree murder or a higher crime, the criminal, after appeal let's say, should probably be put to death in a very short time. Maybe a couple weeks, a month, whatever. But it's nonsense to have a society pay to keep a murderer alive, let alone for life.
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 02:11 |
stonebeard wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
I'm surprised that so many people think of a jail sentence as a punishment instead of a practical method of keeping potentially harmful individuals away from the society until they can (if possible) be rehabilitated as productive citizens who make money for the state and the capitalist system.
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I don't particularly care about pumping a bunch of tax dollars into maybe possibly rehabilitating a bunch of maniac murderers.
Then again, the whole process of the death penalty takes a lot of time and money and effort too. | Keeping the criminal in jail for the rest of his life often seems like the best solution. |
I'm not sure. It's more ambiguous for different crimes, but really...I should have to contribute tax money to keep a murderer alive for his entire life? That's what's happening? Sure there's a lot of ways to reduce taxes anyway, but the possibility of that ridiculous to me. In cases where there is overwhelming evidence that there was first-degree murder or a higher crime, the criminal, after appeal let's say, should probably be put to death in a very short time. Maybe a couple weeks, a month, whatever. But it's nonsense to have a society pay to keep a murderer alive, let alone for life. |
I'm sure the costs of keeping the relatively limited amount of convicted murderers alive are not enormous compared the amount of money the American government invests on slaughtering innocent people.
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