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    Posted: August 17 2011 at 05:46
listening to various Swedish prog rock bands (of very different genres)
including Kaipa, The Flower Kings, Samla Mammas Manna, Anglagard, Anekdoten, Sinkadus, Blakulla
I found some subtle similarities in harmony and general perception of the music (although they play in quite different styles)
and even some Transatlantic tracks, which are dominated by Roine Stolt, have that feel.
What is that?    Is there some "Swedish way of musical composition" ? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2011 at 08:17
Since they all come from the same country, they sure have similar folklore influences and that's something that influenced a lot in the moment of writting music. Most of the melodies are folk based. ( Just think about the flute in Anglagard or some keyboard themes in Flower Kings) That's what makes Swedish music so Swedish I think haha
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2011 at 08:19
It's the same deal with a lot of Finnish metal. I've noticed that Amorphis and Nightwish share similar melodic structures, and like PabstRibbon said, that's because they share the same cultural music. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2011 at 09:35
I personally blame it on our clean tap water!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2011 at 09:39
it can be a mixture of folkmusic, Abba, and avoidence of all thing concerned dance band musik, real musicians get rash and skin diseaces from listening to Vikingarna og Lasse Stefans, ucch worst thing called music is Swedish dance band followd by Norwegiain dance band.

but i mostly the folk music which creeps into peoples fingers and Abba i think is the main couses
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2011 at 12:36
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

ucch worst thing called music is Swedish dance band followd by Norwegiain dance band.

I know something even worse, and that's Finnish schlagers... Swedish dance bands aren't half as irritating. Shocked

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Folk music is an obvious reason behind a lot of Nordic prog, and the Swedish "feel". Apart from genuine folk music, most Swedish prog musicians have heard stuff like Jan Johanssons Jazz på svenska for their whole lives. It is impossible to avoid its influence in Sweden. I think it's a good thing only, because Swedish (and other Nordic) folk tunes transform into prog very well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2011 at 12:57
maybe also some influence from Evert Taube and Cornelis Vresvijk also can have had a strong finger in the development of the Swedish prog sound






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2011 at 13:22
I've never heard any particular Swedish sound in the bands mentioned in the OP and in Swedish rock in general, but I do hear a very strong "Scandinavian" / "nordic" sound in ECM music. People tell me it's because of the strong influence of Scandinavian folk.

In prog, the only scenes that have their own sound are IMO the Italian and the German scene.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2011 at 13:37
thier is a sound in british prog to, an celtic influenced subconcious mystical force that one can find in most UK bands 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2011 at 13:37
I don't know what it is, but whatever it is, it's drawn me to bands like The Flower Kings, Karmakanic, most of The Tangent, Beardfish, even Transatlantic.

The Tangent and Transatlantic are probably the best in fusing that Swedish feel with British and American feel respectively. (well, TA has all 3!)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2011 at 15:48
Yes there is a "Swedish prog feel".  My favorite bands are coming from this country. But i can't say what's common to all swedish bands. But there are many similarities in a lot of them. I can put them in 2 category :

Dark bands :

Anglagard, Anekdoten, Gosta Berlings Saga, etc.

Light bands :

Flower Kings, Moon Sagari, Brother Ape, etc.

I think there is a lot of retro sounds in all of them, sometimes eclectic, other times symphonic, sometimes a good use of mellotron.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2011 at 15:54
I've been meaning to get some Moon Safari. I'm going to order their Blomljud album
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2011 at 17:42
I'd say its a Scandanavian feel, as I hear it also in Wobbler's early material
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2011 at 20:04
OK, put on your prog cosmic hats: Tongue

I am totally convinced that there is something in the geology, which is inadvertently influenced by/and influences
the flora and fauna of an area, that seeps into the atmosphere, which people breath, and which somehow influences
them.  Travel around the U.S. enough and you will see people have subtle differences in every state. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2011 at 00:03
Originally posted by OT Räihälä OT Räihälä wrote:

Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

ucch worst thing called music is Swedish dance band followd by Norwegiain dance band.

I know something even worse, and that's Finnish schlagers... Swedish dance bands aren't half as irritating. Shocked

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Folk music is an obvious reason behind a lot of Nordic prog, and the Swedish "feel". Apart from genuine folk music, most Swedish prog musicians have heard stuff like Jan Johanssons Jazz på svenska for their whole lives. It is impossible to avoid its influence in Sweden. I think it's a good thing only, because Swedish (and other Nordic) folk tunes transform into prog very well.

As I read this thread in Chicago, Illinois USA, I have to laugh!  You Scandinavians bicker like a bunch of Yanks from the Midwest!  

Clearly, your music is influenced by your diets of various pickled fishes, excellent vodka and probably too much sex.   I approve, keep up the good work. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2011 at 00:14
Lamb of Gods song Redneck is written/influenced from a time when Lamb of God toured with Dimmu Borgir and observed them as more Redneck then most conservative redneck in the midwest, it is the truth...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2011 at 00:28
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by OT Räihälä OT Räihälä wrote:

Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

ucch worst thing called music is Swedish dance band followd by Norwegiain dance band.

I know something even worse, and that's Finnish schlagers... Swedish dance bands aren't half as irritating. Shocked

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Folk music is an obvious reason behind a lot of Nordic prog, and the Swedish "feel". Apart from genuine folk music, most Swedish prog musicians have heard stuff like Jan Johanssons Jazz på svenska for their whole lives. It is impossible to avoid its influence in Sweden. I think it's a good thing only, because Swedish (and other Nordic) folk tunes transform into prog very well.

As I read this thread in Chicago, Illinois USA, I have to laugh!  You Scandinavians bicker like a bunch of Yanks from the Midwest!  

Clearly, your music is influenced by your diets of various pickled fishes, excellent vodka and probably too much sex.   I approve, keep up the good work. 
  1. it is called Aquavit, it is called dryed, graved, soaked, or smoked us rearly pickle the fish, though vegetables we do, 2. a large prosnentage of the people from the midwest are scano-americans of origin no suprise then that their forfathers bicker more then the offsprings, 3 up north their is something called dark times when the sun never get over the crust, it is point black like coffee that might have an influence on the sound of our music, couse scan-music is very dark and melancholic, chilling like a winter night in Lapland, but also the summers are warm and long, and fare north the sun never setles down under the crust, this is called midnigh sun, this creates/influences the lighter more beutifull aestistics of swe/nor/den/fin/isl/fero music, combined with the folk tales, viking age, different outside influnces, like wars and stuff,, the animal kingdom, ravens, foxes, wolfs, bear, lynx, wolverines, gulls,... illnesses like blackplage/blackdeath, took a heavy toll spessially in Norway, that certainly creates a mood ... 60% of the population was redused in one year,  it took 500 years for Norway to gain up to the level it have in inhabitans from before the blackdeath 500 000 inhb down to aprox 66 000 inhb to come back to 500 000.....(/%&(/
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2011 at 06:56
Swedish prog feel? Hmm... I guess Anekdoten, Anglagard and Sinkadus all have a distinct sound, which very often conveys images of the cold hard north with snowcapped mountains, fjords and relentless winds. Would we take notice of this, if we didn´t know where these bands hail from? Maybe - I´m not quite sure.
Dungen is one of my absolute favorite Swedish bands, and they sound completely different - as do Sammla Mammas Manna and The Spacious Mind. I kind of get what the OP is refering to though, and perhaps our cultural heritage and geology somehow shines through in the music like Brainstormer said. 
Every action sport a reaction - simple physics. Just like Krautrock was a sonic revolution against the antiquated mindset of the fascist regime the country had been enslaved by. I personally think Italy´s RPI stems from the same sort of thing, although rooted in their own musical heritage. Krautrock seemed to tear up their sonic roots and start from scratch. Sweden or let´s just say Scandinavia - have no such past, where they were trambled underfoot by imprisoning boundaries. This raises the question: Does the freedom attached to making music like you want to - set you "free" as a musician, or does it lull you into an unexploratory mode - where you get your inspirations from outside of your own little pond? Personally I think much of the Scandinavian prog bands share many attributes with the UK - and always has. BUT the way we dress it up might just reflect the essence of old Nordic myths together with a carelessness and security that is made possible and supported by our countries who in recent times have been spared of dictatorships and mind-control.     
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2011 at 16:00

They are all heavily influenced by ABBA!

'couldn't escape if they wanted to.......



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2011 at 21:04
Originally posted by awaken77 awaken77 wrote:

listening to various Swedish prog rock bands (of very different genres)
including Kaipa, The Flower Kings, [etc.].... What is that?    Is there some "Swedish way of musical composition" ? 
I agree with Pabst Ribbon's comment (the first one you received) about Swedish cultural and folksong influences.  I like your monicker - awaken77 - as that is my favorite song off of that great 1977 Yes album.  Really like certain songs from Kaipa and Flower Kings too...
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