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himtroy
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Posted: August 14 2011 at 13:17 |
As much as I'm not really into ELO, I've heard a large portion of their music and never disliked any of it, though it's too poppy to be something I'd ever choose. However, I really don't care for anything I've heard by Queen. Their single most impact on my life is the Bohemian Rhapsody scene in Wayne's World. And I agree, Jeff Lynne's writing strikes me as superior to Freddy Mercury's, just so much more going on.
Also Jeff Lynne's voice destroys me....the Rain is Falling.
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Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell?
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giselle
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Posted: August 14 2011 at 15:06 |
TheLionOfPrague wrote:
giselle wrote:
I prefer ELO because Jeff Lynne is much superior songwriter to anything anyone in Queen can produce, and even though Queen are the superior musicians and a better group. |
Jeff Lynne is a great songwriter, but not better than Freddie.
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Freddie was a great singer and showman, but he couldn't write a song to save his life (!); the 'songs' he did write were amazingly old-fashioned (and camp!) for someone from a supposedly-heavy Rock group. Even the best piece he ever did - parts of 'Bohemian Rhapsody' - were snatches of good melody (but with meaningless lyrics) interspersed with trivial/mundane musical interludes heavily laced with bad taste which only a group peddling excess as a norm could get away with. So no, in my opinion Freddie wasn't even in the first league of songwriters, though he certainly had plenty going for him in other ways.
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himtroy
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Posted: August 14 2011 at 15:30 |
^^I agree, and showmanship has never been something I've cared about. Stop jumping around and play your instrument better
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rogerthat
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Posted: August 14 2011 at 21:08 |
Not much into ELO, so no vote.
Anyway, Queen's style was anticipated by Sparks who did it WITHOUT the pastiche approach that Queen favoured in not only Bohemian..but many other well regarded songs like March of the Black Queen and went for 3-4 minute slabs of smart pop/rock instead. Sparks also tried many more things so it's not possible for me to hold Queen's compositional skills in the same high regard as I would have before. Yeah, mainly about the flamboyance of Mercury and May. And as much as I like Freddie's singing, he's NOT my favourite rock singer and is pretty weak when it comes to truly melancholic moments. His singing on the first section of Bohemian is overwrought but it works because of the band's generally campy style of music.
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Alitare
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Posted: August 14 2011 at 21:38 |
Of course Queen will win. I doubt anyone expects otherwise. I wholly prefer ELO, though. For one, Lynne did things with pop melodies that Freddie would've shat his panties over. Lynne did things with production. It's all opinions. I dunno why I'm wasting my time when all I'll do is contradict my stupid words, later.
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Padraic
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Posted: August 14 2011 at 21:40 |
I'd pick virtually any musical act over ELO. So, yeah.
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Posted: August 14 2011 at 22:43 |
Padraic wrote:
I'd pick virtually any musical act over ELO. So, yeah.
| As Epignosis, I say, "Yay!"
As an ELO fan, I say Pat is foolish and needs to revisit ELO.
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Warthur
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Posted: August 15 2011 at 05:29 |
Put me down for Queen. ELO took an album or two to get up to speed, and then their classic period is comparatively brief; Queen had their sound nailed down straight out of the gate and put out more top-flight albums than ELO ever did, in my book.
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Posted: August 15 2011 at 15:03 |
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TheLionOfPrague
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Posted: August 16 2011 at 16:36 |
giselle wrote:
TheLionOfPrague wrote:
giselle wrote:
I prefer ELO because Jeff Lynne is much superior songwriter to anything anyone in Queen can produce, and even though Queen are the superior musicians and a better group. |
Jeff Lynne is a great songwriter, but not better than Freddie.
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Freddie was a great singer and showman, but he couldn't write a song to save his life (!); the 'songs' he did write were amazingly old-fashioned (and camp!) for someone from a supposedly-heavy Rock group. Even the best piece he ever did - parts of 'Bohemian Rhapsody' - were snatches of good melody (but with meaningless lyrics) interspersed with trivial/mundane musical interludes heavily laced with bad taste which only a group peddling excess as a norm could get away with. So no, in my opinion Freddie wasn't even in the first league of songwriters, though he certainly had plenty going for him in other ways. |
Freddie wasn't in the first league of songwriters??
"Bohemian Rhapsody", "The March Of The Black Queen", "Millonaire Waltz". With those three songs, he is better than most musicians.
And "We Are The Champions", "My Fary King", "Ogre Battle", "Good Old-Fashioned Lover Boy", "Bycycle Race", "Killer Queen", "The Fairy Feller's Master Stroke", etc..
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Posted: August 16 2011 at 16:41 |
But Lynne had Bluebird is Dead, Turn to Stone, Do Ya, Evil Woman, Telephone Line, Shangri-La, Tightrope, Fire on High, Sweet Talkin' Woman, Mr. Blue Sky, etc.
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giselle
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Posted: August 17 2011 at 02:54 |
Queen made excellent recordings with high levels of performance, but song quality was not of the same standard, otherwise it would have been even better than it was. ELO has many of those qualities too, but the songs are just as good. Recording skills and writing skills are two different things, one can make up for deficiencies in the other, but of course, it's best when the two meet in harmony.
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: August 17 2011 at 03:41 |
Except ELO 2, I really like all their albums 1971-1981.
Queen, well I do love their second album, and a track here and there.
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akaBona
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Posted: August 17 2011 at 03:47 |
ELO.
Queen is overrated, only handful of above average songs.
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rogerthat
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Posted: August 17 2011 at 04:07 |
TheLionOfPrague wrote:
"Bohemian Rhapsody", "The March Of The Black Queen", "Millonaire Waltz". With those three songs, he is better than most musicians.
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As SONGS, they certainly aren't in THAT exalted company. I'd only make such a statement about a band like Beatles and they were easily far superior masters of songwriting than Queen (or most rock bands for that matter).
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FunkyHomoSapien
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Posted: August 17 2011 at 09:53 |
ELO
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resurrection
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Posted: August 21 2011 at 00:14 |
ELO for me
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: August 21 2011 at 07:12 |
Queen. ELO has nothing comparable to the three consecutive albums Queen II, Shear Heart Attack and A Night at the Opera. Queen was simply a better rock band than ELO,
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Mitchell2095
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Posted: August 22 2011 at 09:51 |
I like Queen but I love ELO!
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Alitare
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Posted: August 22 2011 at 10:09 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
Queen. ELO has nothing comparable to the three consecutive albums Queen II, Shear Heart Attack and A Night at the Opera. Queen was simply a better rock band than ELO, |
But ELO were a MUCH better pop band, and that's more important to me these days. I don't give a sh*t how fast or loud Brian May's murky little guitar tone is. When it came to writing melodies, Mercury didn't hold a candle to Lynne. And these days, with all them damn Kansas and Camel and Supertramp and Uriah Heep and Deep Purp and blah blah blah blah doing the 'art ROCK' thing, I stop giving a sh*t really early on.
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