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^^^ That is a great review Chris, I want to get a copy of that one myself.
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Well said my friend.....you use the sound that you need to use as an artist to express yourself.....if people call that retro, so be it.
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Guldbamsen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23104 |
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^Yup - I read that as well. Great review Chris, you really made me curious! Especially the part about writing music to visual images - intrigued me. Thatīs what happens in reverse, when I listen to music! The music plays and a world of imagery pops up in my head.
And I for one have no problems with the recent resurgence, of what many people describe as "retro prog". To me that only says one thing, and that is: we will rather use instruments like mellotron, real piano, wah wah pedals, fuzz tone bass and analog equipment, - than dive into the rather sterile midi formats and computer generated sounds, that I myself find far less appealing.
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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17340 |
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Chris nails this review (and bio if you want to read more)....this band didn't grab me at first when we were evaluating....but they are growing on me big time. Way to call it, Chris, kudos
![]() La Coscienza di Zeno La Coscienza di Zeno Rock Progressivo Italiano Review by
seventhsojourn
First review of this album
![]() CDZ are undoubtedly influenced by the golden generation of Italian progressive bands but this isn't the only circumstance that guarantees my enjoyment of the album. My understanding is that CDZ write discerning lyrics in order to create a distinct style; each song is apparently linked to visual images and sensations in an attempt to whelm the listener's imagination. While this high ambition is somewhat lost on a non-Italian speaker, I can still appreciate a vivid sense of grandeur in the texts. Lyricist Stefano Agnini, in addition to providing all the words, was involved in composing the music on all but two tracks here. Apparently he is no longer a full-time member of CDZ but will continue to write lyrics for the band's songs; hopefully they will continue to come up with equally good material in the future despite Stefano's departure. However if the only track he didn't have a hand in writing, 'Un insolito baratto alchemico', is anything to go by then there's no need for concern. The intricate compositions are highly articulated and there's an effective conflict between the band's soft and hard sides; melodies are elegant and full of lustre while riffs are robust and, at times, sinister-sounding. All in all it makes for a balanced, well-proportioned mix of styles and CDZ certainly seem to have brought their A-game with them. They demonstrate their seventies-inspired RPI passion on 'Cronovisione' which basks in some eerie synthesizer parts that in a curious way remind me of a track on the first Alphataurus album, although it also features some wonderfully spacey guitar and later has a slightly Arabic feel. There's also plenty of that Italian eclecticism thanks to the energetic leanness of the synth- work on 'Gatto Lupesco', the spirited wanderings of the multi-part 'Nei cerchi del legno', and the discordant 'Un Insolito Baratto Alchemico' with its dialogue of flute and fuzzed guitar. But I really don't need to describe every track in detail because devotees of traditional Italian symphonic prog should just plunge straight into the album. The RPI subgenre shows no sign of diminution with the recent and imminent additions of some very exciting bands, and with the release of this album CDZ has produced what I think will be one of the dominant works of the year. |
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dreadpirateroberts ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2011 Location: AU Status: Offline Points: 952 |
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From Jim's recommendations I'd like to second some of the few I actually know at this stage in my RPI collecting career ![]() |
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Guldbamsen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23104 |
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^Thank you Jim
![]() You really didnīt have to do that, but you did so anyways. A great answer, and as always when youīre reading something from Raff, itīs extremely well written and informative. It was similar to what I was expecting, because the biggest similarities I personally see, is in the written language. Iīd have to go down there myself, to get my head around this. Movies donīt necessarily picture the truth about different lingos, especially when you have trouble understanding whatīs going on ![]() I have been reading her blog from time to time, and I sure do miss her gentle touch around here... I am so glad, she found the time, to write up an answer to this nosy Dane. Thanks!
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Guldie, when I saw your post, I knew that Raffaella would be the one to answer it. She doesn't frequent the site anymore, but I put your question to her and she send this response which she said I could paste here for all. I also encourage all of you to check out her fine music blog here: Fire of Unknown Origin. Here's the answer to your query: French, Spanish and Italian (as well as Portuguese and Romanian, plus a slew of 'minor' languages like Catalan and Rheto-Romanic) all have a common ancestor, which is Latin. However, those languages developed in territories that had indigenous populations: this of course influenced their development, so that nowadays Romance languages differ from each other much more strongly than the Scandinavian languages, which instead developed on territories that were geographically much closer to each other, and very sparsely populated for obvious climatic reasons. That said, educated speakers of Romance languages will find it relatively easy to understand other languages of the same family, at least in their written, standard variety - that on account of the common origin of most of their vocabulary, and also of the similarities in grammatical structure. The spoken varieties, on the other hand, can be somewhat trickier, especially because each of the Romance languages had different phonetic features. Therefore, for a native Italian it is generally much easier to understand Spanish than French or Portuguese, because the two languages are more similar in phonetic terms. Speakers of Romance languages (at least those belonging to the older generations) also have some notions of Latin, which of course helps a lot in understanding the other languages of the same family. |
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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17340 |
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Hi AG and welcome to the thread ![]() I'm no expert on the serious noise stuff, but here's a few suggestions that fans of the wild stuff like... Allegri Leprotti Picchio dal Pozzo Deus Ex Machina Breznev Fun Club Ossi Duro Area, of course Paradiso a basso Prezzo Rascal Reporters (not Italian, but great stuff...check it out) Garamond Yugen Art Fleury early Battiato Sorrenti's "Aria" Osanna Pholas Dactylus Balletto di Bronzo's "Ys" Well, that's enough from me ![]() |
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I'm a n00b to this sh*t. I know of Jacula, only because of that song that has a death metal-sounding guitar in it.
whats some good stuff? and I mean stuff that guy into noise and sh*t like the Residents would be into. |
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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17340 |
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I remember checking with one of the band members back then Presdoug, and he didn't know anything. I've been watching for information on it to arise, but have seen nothing yet.
Todd, Andrea, anyone.....have you guys ever heard any news about a reissue on this? |
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presdoug ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 24 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8780 |
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i did a post about this a long time ago, maybe over a year ago, and am still wondering about-is it possible that Libra's second, long forgotten gem of an album "Winter Day's NIghtmare", originally released only in the US and Canada (on Motown!), will be put on cd?
I checked the Motown site on the net, but there is no reference to Libra, and no way to inquire to someone directly
Love the album, especially Federico D' Andrea's singing and guitar playing
Crazy that he was run over by a car and killed in 1978, would have loved to have seen the band live back in the day
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Maybe weīll hear some new material in form of an album ![]() I didnīt have a snowmanīs chance in hell to attend the original show, so maybe - just maybe this will be an excuse to go visit the land of milk and honey for the first time.
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Todd ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() RPI / Heavy Prog Team Joined: December 19 2007 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 3472 |
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Sad news--the venue backed out, so the festival has been postponed to October 2012.
But on the bright side, several of the bands are very happy, as they were only reuniting specifically for this event and hadn't played together in years. So this will give them another year to prepare. A couple other bands who hadn't completely committed are also relieved, as they really wanted to play but had competing obligations. So hopefully this will in the end make for a better show.
And it will give us a full year to prepare, too! Be sure to keep this one on your schedule. |
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Nightfly ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 01 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3659 |
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When I first started delving deeper I tended to go for a wider variety of bands rather than trying to complete discographies of a few. There's so many great bands who only released one or two albums anyway. In the end though its got to be up to you but I'm sure you'll have fun either way.
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And i love Banco! Edited by presdoug - July 11 2011 at 20:24 |
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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17340 |
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^ It's tough, I know. Just follow your gut, its good to get recommendations, but the journey of discovery is half the fun. Gut instinct. I suspect yours are pretty darn good!
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Nuova Era, noted down! Thanks, Todd! The Trip (Atlantide and Time of Change) also noted, thanks presdoug! I think the biggest problem is deciding what to pay for when. I have dozens on my current list (thanks to Jim too!) and have been struggling to decide which album to buy next. Do I expand my Banco albums, polish off Osanna, go to an artist I've never heard before? So many delicious choices! ![]() |
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Yeah, they're good too!
I suppose you could include Banco in the keyboard driven bands, since they had two keyboardists. If you count them, they're number one.
(By the way presdoug, speaking of great keyboard driven bands, your avatar bears a striking resemblance to Triumvirat's Jurgen Fritz . . . )
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I've been saying that now for several years! It's really amazing how deep the Italian Progressive scene was and is. But what a wonderful, beautiful journey of discovery!
Triade is wonderful! I think my favorite of the 70s keyboard based bands are Latte e Miele, Le Orme, and Metamorfosi, but Triade is certainly right up there in the top five or six.
Of the more current keyboard driven bands, check out Nuova Era. [/QUOTE i also like the keyboard sound of The Trip (Atlantide and Time of Change)
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