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Posted: May 17 2011 at 20:56
dr prog wrote:
Alitare wrote:
dr prog wrote:
Alitare wrote:
dr prog wrote:
I'm not a fan of metal at all. Anything that has to be heavier than Heavy rock is pointless and done because of a fad imo
I'm not a fan of rock at all. Anything that has to be heavier than soft folk is pointless and done because of a fad imo.
Good for you. As for metal, screaming/growling vocals only bring music down.
Since when did all metal vocals constitute screaming and growling? Does this mean Geoff Tate is a figment of my imagination?
Who's that?
70s prog is meaner than any metal anyway. Heavy bass craps on guitar riffs
Meaner? Don't tell me you think Rush is 'meaner' than Slayer. :P
You're a f**king silly person. I don't particularly care for any one sound. It's the melodies that I care for. I hate heavy rock MORE than metal, because it's the same damn thing, only less forceful in general.
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Posted: May 17 2011 at 21:00
Alitare wrote:
dr prog wrote:
Alitare wrote:
dr prog wrote:
Alitare wrote:
dr prog wrote:
I'm not a fan of metal at all. Anything that has to be heavier than Heavy rock is pointless and done because of a fad imo
I'm not a fan of rock at all. Anything that has to be heavier than soft folk is pointless and done because of a fad imo.
Good for you. As for metal, screaming/growling vocals only bring music down.
Since when did all metal vocals constitute screaming and growling? Does this mean Geoff Tate is a figment of my imagination?
Who's that?
70s prog is meaner than any metal anyway. Heavy bass craps on guitar riffs
Meaner? Don't tell me you think Rush is 'meaner' than Slayer. :P
You're a f**king silly person. I don't particularly care for any one sound. It's the melodies that I care for. I hate heavy rock MORE than metal, because it's the same damn thing, only less forceful in general.
Metal doesn't have melody, it never did. Lots of prog gives me shivers because of the way they merge rock with jazz and classical music. The busy and catchy ideas and the sound and instruments they use absolutely smash metal to pieces. Metal doesnt put a single shiver down my spine. It makes me laugh. The compositions are weak, it's all about how loud and fast they be. American based crap
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Posted: May 17 2011 at 21:02
dr prog wrote:
Alitare wrote:
dr prog wrote:
Alitare wrote:
dr prog wrote:
Alitare wrote:
dr prog wrote:
I'm not a fan of metal at all. Anything that has to be heavier than Heavy rock is pointless and done because of a fad imo
I'm not a fan of rock at all. Anything that has to be heavier than soft folk is pointless and done because of a fad imo.
Good for you. As for metal, screaming/growling vocals only bring music down.
Since when did all metal vocals constitute screaming and growling? Does this mean Geoff Tate is a figment of my imagination?
Who's that?
70s prog is meaner than any metal anyway. Heavy bass craps on guitar riffs
Meaner? Don't tell me you think Rush is 'meaner' than Slayer. :P
You're a f**king silly person. I don't particularly care for any one sound. It's the melodies that I care for. I hate heavy rock MORE than metal, because it's the same damn thing, only less forceful in general.
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Posted: May 17 2011 at 21:04
dr prog wrote:
Alitare wrote:
dr prog wrote:
Alitare wrote:
dr prog wrote:
Alitare wrote:
dr prog wrote:
I'm not a fan of metal at all. Anything that has to be heavier than Heavy rock is pointless and done because of a fad imo
I'm not a fan of rock at all. Anything that has to be heavier than soft folk is pointless and done because of a fad imo.
Good for you. As for metal, screaming/growling vocals only bring music down.
Since when did all metal vocals constitute screaming and growling? Does this mean Geoff Tate is a figment of my imagination?
Who's that?
70s prog is meaner than any metal anyway. Heavy bass craps on guitar riffs
Meaner? Don't tell me you think Rush is 'meaner' than Slayer. :P
You're a f**king silly person. I don't particularly care for any one sound. It's the melodies that I care for. I hate heavy rock MORE than metal, because it's the same damn thing, only less forceful in general.
Metal doesn't have melody, it never did
So all those vocal hooks and NOTES BEING PLAYED in all those Pain of Salvation songs aren't real? Why aren't those CLASSIFIED MELODIES, melodies? I mean, isn't a melody a pattern of notes? These songs have patterns of notes, therefore either your logic is inane, a completely ignorant hallucination, or you're trolling. I have faith in you and immediately assume the latter.
That being said, if you are a troll, I've seen better. I used to troll these hallowed halls with the best of 'em. :P
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Posted: May 17 2011 at 21:11
Of course there's metal i havent heard but all that death, black, thrash is just attrocious imo. I've heard enough of Tool and Opeth to not rate them. I like Opeth's non metal songs though but then I listen to their metal and think what a waste of a band with good ideas and a rare great voice. Every Tool song has the same pattern and that annoying annoying voice. Extremely limited composers Tool are
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Posted: May 17 2011 at 21:18
dr prog wrote:
Of course there's metal i havent heard but all that death, black, thrash is just attrocious imo. I've heard enough of Tool and Opeth to not rate them. I like Opeth's non metal songs though but then I listen to their metal and think what a waste of a band with good ideas and a rare great voice
A great singer will always be a "waste" to people who don't like their genre. Mikeal plays in a style he wants to play, and there are people that like it. Hardly a waste just because there are people who aren't into (or in your case just outright don't get) metal
I'm not the biggest fan of jazz, but I don't think it's a waste of fine musicians. They do what they like to do
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Posted: May 17 2011 at 21:20
Repner wrote:
dr prog wrote:
Of course there's metal i havent heard but all that death, black, thrash is just attrocious imo. I've heard enough of Tool and Opeth to not rate them. I like Opeth's non metal songs though but then I listen to their metal and think what a waste of a band with good ideas and a rare great voice
A great singer will always be a "waste" to people who don't like their genre. Mikeal plays in a style he wants to play, and there are people that like it. Hardly a waste just because there are people who aren't into (or in your case just outright don't get) metal
I'm not the biggest fan of jazz, but I don't think it's a waste of fine musicians. They do what they like to do
he sings great. Growling is a terrible fad which has lasted 25 years
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Posted: May 17 2011 at 21:21
dr prog wrote:
Repner wrote:
dr prog wrote:
Of course there's metal i havent heard but all that death, black, thrash is just attrocious imo. I've heard enough of Tool and Opeth to not rate them. I like Opeth's non metal songs though but then I listen to their metal and think what a waste of a band with good ideas and a rare great voice
A great singer will always be a "waste" to people who don't like their genre. Mikeal plays in a style he wants to play, and there are people that like it. Hardly a waste just because there are people who aren't into (or in your case just outright don't get) metal
I'm not the biggest fan of jazz, but I don't think it's a waste of fine musicians. They do what they like to do
he sings great. Growling is a terrible fad which has lasted 25 years
And yet, some people like it. It's still only a sub-genre of the whole metal genre
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Posted: May 17 2011 at 21:23
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He might be. There's opinion, and then theres opinion based on nonsense
As for your opinion, sure there are a lot of "shredder" bands, but for quite a lot of the metal bands I've been seeing, I personally have to disagree.
I know, which is said I wasn't attempting to generalize. If a band isn't shred, it isn't. I personally adore Ayreon and Queensryche and Savatage and Atheist and Death and Metallica and Pain of Salvation and Devin Townsend and Cynic and Opeth and maudlin of the Well and Alice in Chains and Judas Priest and Rainbow (only with Dio) and blah blah blah. I'm not trying to speak blindly.
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Posted: May 17 2011 at 21:27
Alitare wrote:
Repner wrote:
He might be. There's opinion, and then theres opinion based on nonsense
As for your opinion, sure there are a lot of "shredder" bands, but for quite a lot of the metal bands I've been seeing, I personally have to disagree.
I know, which is said I wasn't attempting to generalize. If a band isn't shred, it isn't. I personally adore Ayreon and Queensryche and Savatage and Atheist and Death and Metallica and Pain of Salvation and Devin Townsend and Cynic and Opeth and maudlin of the Well and Alice in Chains and Judas Priest and Rainbow (only with Dio) and blah blah blah. I'm not trying to speak blindly.
I get you. I thought that's what you meant by the part when you said it pushes the other instruments to the back (probably should have quoted that)
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Posted: May 17 2011 at 21:28
Repner wrote:
dr prog wrote:
Repner wrote:
dr prog wrote:
Of course there's metal i havent heard but all that death, black, thrash is just attrocious imo. I've heard enough of Tool and Opeth to not rate them. I like Opeth's non metal songs though but then I listen to their metal and think what a waste of a band with good ideas and a rare great voice
A great singer will always be a "waste" to people who don't like their genre. Mikeal plays in a style he wants to play, and there are people that like it. Hardly a waste just because there are people who aren't into (or in your case just outright don't get) metal
I'm not the biggest fan of jazz, but I don't think it's a waste of fine musicians. They do what they like to do
he sings great. Growling is a terrible fad which has lasted 25 years
And yet, some people like it. It's still only a sub-genre of the whole metal genre
you'll probably notice most of these people are either angry or depressed too lol
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Posted: May 17 2011 at 21:35
dr prog wrote:
Repner wrote:
dr prog wrote:
Repner wrote:
dr prog wrote:
Of course there's metal i havent heard but all that death, black, thrash is just attrocious imo. I've heard enough of Tool and Opeth to not rate them. I like Opeth's non metal songs though but then I listen to their metal and think what a waste of a band with good ideas and a rare great voice
A great singer will always be a "waste" to people who don't like their genre. Mikeal plays in a style he wants to play, and there are people that like it. Hardly a waste just because there are people who aren't into (or in your case just outright don't get) metal
I'm not the biggest fan of jazz, but I don't think it's a waste of fine musicians. They do what they like to do
he sings great. Growling is a terrible fad which has lasted 25 years
And yet, some people like it. It's still only a sub-genre of the whole metal genre
you'll probably notice most of these people are either angry or depressed too lol
I was under the impression that every single human being gets mad or sad, sometimes. Don't you watch Ni-Hao, Kai-Lan?
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Posted: May 17 2011 at 21:43
dr prog wrote:
Repner wrote:
dr prog wrote:
Repner wrote:
dr prog wrote:
Of course there's metal i havent heard but all that death, black, thrash is just attrocious imo. I've heard enough of Tool and Opeth to not rate them. I like Opeth's non metal songs though but then I listen to their metal and think what a waste of a band with good ideas and a rare great voice
A great singer will always be a "waste" to people who don't like their genre. Mikeal plays in a style he wants to play, and there are people that like it. Hardly a waste just because there are people who aren't into (or in your case just outright don't get) metal
I'm not the biggest fan of jazz, but I don't think it's a waste of fine musicians. They do what they like to do
he sings great. Growling is a terrible fad which has lasted 25 years
And yet, some people like it. It's still only a sub-genre of the whole metal genre
you'll probably notice most of these people are either angry or depressed too lol
Yeah. Damn those cheesy power metal bands and their cheesy fantasy songs. They should calm the f*** down. They might get a hernia
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Posted: May 18 2011 at 02:22
Purple_Floyd wrote:
I didn't know where to post this topic, considering it's more about progressive metal than anything else.
I've always been a big metal fan. It's also the sub-genre that introduced me to music in general, and to prog later. Still today, even if I'm listening to a lot more of rock-prog, I still have a inclination towards well written metal pieces, like some Dream Theater epics, etc. Though, I've never believed that it was in any way a superior sub-change, just as respectable as any kind of genres (Except for commercial pop ;p).
Sadly, two of my friends doesn't have the same opinions as me. One of them listen to a lot of jazz/pop/retro (He's an hipster, after all) and the other listen exclusively to classical music.
Their general consensus is that, while metal music can be melodic, it's without doubt emotionless, violent, and overall unimpressive mess that tries to put as many notes as possible in their songs.
I blieve their description is deeply inaccurate, considering the many highly emotional, complex (and sometimes calm!) albums and songs made by artists like Pain of Salvation, Opeth, Maudlin of the Well, Fates Warning, Ayreon, Riverside or, once again, Dream Theater.
I would love to hear some opinions from people on PA around metal, especially metal prog, whether you like it or not. I believe I can count on the community to be a lot more open-minded then my pals.
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