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dr prog
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Posted: April 10 2011 at 20:50 |
Tull were definately better. If you are young, go out and get all the remasters. Bonus tracks are awesome and they definately make up for albums tracks which were not as good but were chosen for the album for some reason or another. After many listens you work out which are your fave songs and the bonus tracks are usually amongst the top 10 songs on each remaster. It's fun programming the songs in a certain order and playing the best 10-12 songs on the cd including the bonus tracks. Tull have an excellent trilogy of remasters:
songs from the wood-quality folk prog
heavy horses-more quality folk prog
stormwatch-strong bonus tracks make this good album into a really strong cd
then they have the 3 monsters:
thick as a brick-classic prog
a passion play-almost classic prog
living in the past-my fave tull release
and these 2 are probably the best value remasters of all time
warchild-the 7 bonus tracks are the best songs on the remaster mainly. Very good remaster
benefit-some classic tunes, expecially the bonus tracks
As for genesis, trespass and foxtrot are pretty cool. Nursery cryme is a bit dull. The lamb and Selling England have their faults but they are cool too. Not really a gabriel fan. Doesn't have a very good voice and some of his lyrics are cringeworthy. I liked what Genesis were doing in Wuthering and Trick. They gained a cleaner sound. I'd rank Garbriel era among the top 10 bands from 1970-75 probably, but the combination of Hacketts depressing guitar sound, Gabriels squeely rough voice and Banks occasional strange sounds prevent Genesis from being among my top 5 bands. With so many good bands in the 70s, I've always found it weird that bands such as genesis and crimson are ranked at the very top. Top 10 is understandable
Edited by dr prog - April 11 2011 at 02:39
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zbida
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Posted: April 11 2011 at 02:35 |
Respects for Jethro Tull, vote for Genesis.
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digdug
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Posted: April 11 2011 at 10:45 |
love both.....voted Tull
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Prog On!
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TheLionOfPrague
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Posted: April 11 2011 at 15:30 |
They're my favorite prog bands after Pink Floyd, but I prefer Jethro a bit. "Thick As A Brick" is just perfect.
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I shook my head and smiled a whisper knowing all about the place
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BarryGlibb
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Posted: April 12 2011 at 07:00 |
What hope would Tull have in a Genesis-laden appreciators site like PA?
But JT get my vote by a country mile.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 12 2011 at 07:17 |
Genesis.
Genesis are ina lot of polls recently.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: April 12 2011 at 07:27 |
Genesis for me. I like all of their '70's albums, plus some later stuff as well. I appreciate Jethro Tull and I agree that they're one of the best prog bands, but I like Genesis much more.
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Steven Brodziak
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Posted: April 12 2011 at 21:18 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Genesis.
Genesis are ina lot of polls recently. |
Others just can't accept that they were the best prog band ever. Great feeling, stellar instrumentation (of old).
So they throw everyone at them that they can. Mostly to tout their own favorite.
Love Tull, Genesis is my pick.
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Well, there it is. (Amadeus)
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dr prog
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Posted: April 12 2011 at 22:36 |
Steven Brodziak wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Genesis.
Genesis are ina lot of polls recently. |
Others just can't accept that they were the best prog band ever. Great feeling, stellar instrumentation (of old).
So they throw everyone at them that they can. Mostly to tout their own favorite.
Love Tull, Genesis is my pick.
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I definately wouldn't consider gabriel era genesis the best. There are things about the band which I would gaurantee would hold them back if most people got into 70s prog. I reckon most people would get into prog after enough listening but most people have pretty simple/dumb taste in music. But in the end they would wake up to how good prog is after enough listening. I'm very confident they would rate tull higher than genesis in the end though. Tull remasters are full of great value. Even the remaster of Warchild compares pretty similarly to The lamb even if the original album wasn't that strong. Both from 1974 and both pretty much double album length. Both have strong and weak tracks. I love those bonus tracks on Warchild the most on the cd. They are the songs that should have been on the soundtrack in the first place, not those poppy songs like bungle, third hoorah, sealion, 2 fingers.
I think if someone had these releases of both bands i'd think tull would still come out of top.
TAAB-excellent
LITP-excellent
Bursting out-very good
SFTW remaster-very good
Heavy horses remaster-very good
Stormwatch remaster-fairly good album, but very good year in studio(bonus tracks really add quality)
Warchild remaster-decent soundtrack, but very good year in studio(7 bonus tracks are among 10 best songs)
Benefit remaster-fairly good album, but very good year in studio(teacher and witches promise are excellent)
APP-pretty good album
Foxtrot-very good
Trespass-very good
The lamb-very good although i can't stand NYC and 2nd half of title song
Wind and wuthering-very good
Trick of the tail-very good
Selling england-pretty good
Edited by dr prog - April 12 2011 at 22:55
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Posted: April 13 2011 at 12:10 |
Genesis! I only like them up to Wind & Wuthering though, I mean, what was the point in Genesis sans Gabriel & Hackett? Tull would come reasonable close though, behind VDGG.
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LateralMe
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Posted: April 13 2011 at 15:03 |
Genesis takes it for me! I do enjoy Jethro Tull though.
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A Flower!?
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Steven Brodziak
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 02:02 |
dr prog wrote:
Steven Brodziak wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Genesis.
Genesis are ina lot of polls recently. |
Others just can't accept that they were the best prog band ever. Great feeling, stellar instrumentation (of old).
So they throw everyone at them that they can. Mostly to tout their own favorite.
Love Tull, Genesis is my pick.
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I definately wouldn't consider gabriel era genesis the best. There are things about the band which I would gaurantee would hold them back if most people got into 70s prog. I reckon most people would get into prog after enough listening but most people have pretty simple/dumb taste in music. But in the end they would wake up to how good prog is after enough listening. I'm very confident they would rate tull higher than genesis in the end though. Tull remasters are full of great value. Even the remaster of Warchild compares pretty similarly to The lamb even if the original album wasn't that strong. Both from 1974 and both pretty much double album length. Both have strong and weak tracks. I love those bonus tracks on Warchild the most on the cd. They are the songs that should have been on the soundtrack in the first place, not those poppy songs like bungle, third hoorah, sealion, 2 fingers.
I think if someone had these releases of both bands i'd think tull would still come out of top.
TAAB-excellent
LITP-excellent
Bursting out-very good
SFTW remaster-very good
Heavy horses remaster-very good
Stormwatch remaster-fairly good album, but very good year in studio(bonus tracks really add quality)
Warchild remaster-decent soundtrack, but very good year in studio(7 bonus tracks are among 10 best songs)
Benefit remaster-fairly good album, but very good year in studio(teacher and witches promise are excellent)
APP-pretty good album
Foxtrot-very good
Trespass-very good
The lamb-very good although i can't stand NYC and 2nd half of title song
Wind and wuthering-very good
Trick of the tail-very good
Selling england-pretty good
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Not trying to be short but I have limited time. I would have included "Stand Up". Some very very nice songs on there. I think I'd actually rate some of the Tull higher than you did, of course I do not agree with your Genesis rating. You can tell by the night fires where Rael has been. Also anything less than excellent on Trespass.......Like I said and most have here, Love Tull. Consistant for the most part. Have you heard "A Little Light Music"? 1992 live, awesome stuff.
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Well, there it is. (Amadeus)
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bucka001
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Posted: April 16 2011 at 07:54 |
dr prog wrote:
I reckon most people would get into prog after enough listening but most people have pretty simple/dumb taste in music. But in the end they would wake up to how good prog is after enough listening. |
Actually, Ian Anderson might disagree with you about prog (and he certainly doesn't seem to respect Gabriel-era Genesis).
Anderson from the new Classic Rock Presents Prog: "Prog became a bit of a joke, really. Perhaps the archetpal prog rock bands were the spaghetti noodlers like Yes and ELP, who could take a good idea and make it last for days! Some of it was silly, when you think about Peter Gabriel dressed a giant sunflower. It was ridiculous."
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Posted: April 16 2011 at 08:05 |
^That's rich coming from Ian Anderson.
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Posted: April 16 2011 at 08:08 |
Too bad there isn't a "both equally" option.
But if I have to choose it's JT, for Stand Up, Benefit and TaaB mainly.
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dr prog
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Posted: April 16 2011 at 18:17 |
bucka001 wrote:
dr prog wrote:
I reckon most people would get into prog after enough listening but most people have pretty simple/dumb taste in music. But in the end they would wake up to how good prog is after enough listening. |
Actually, Ian Anderson might disagree with you about prog (and he certainly doesn't seem to respect Gabriel-era Genesis).
Anderson from the new Classic Rock Presents Prog: "Prog became a bit of a joke, really. Perhaps the archetpal prog rock bands were the spaghetti noodlers like Yes and ELP, who could take a good idea and make it last for days! Some of it was silly, when you think about Peter Gabriel dressed a giant sunflower. It was ridiculous." |
He's kind of right. Tull are the perfect blend of rock,folk, classical and jazz. When they did a long song they made sure the whole song was full of strong changing melodies. They didn't put in 5 minutes of sound effects to fill in space. ELP were finished after Trilogy imo. When I see pictures of Gabriel with his head shaved down the middle I think showpony/rebel which doesn't go down as cool at all. His voice on the Lamb is pretty annoying and his outfits were pretty embarrasing lol. Tulls remasters from 1970-74 and 1977-80 are awesome
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bucka001
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Posted: April 18 2011 at 09:31 |
dr prog wrote:
bucka001 wrote:
dr prog wrote:
I reckon most people would get into prog after enough listening but most people have pretty simple/dumb taste in music. But in the end they would wake up to how good prog is after enough listening. |
Actually, Ian Anderson might disagree with you about prog (and he certainly doesn't seem to respect Gabriel-era Genesis).
Anderson from the new Classic Rock Presents Prog: "Prog became a bit of a joke, really. Perhaps the archetpal prog rock bands were the spaghetti noodlers like Yes and ELP, who could take a good idea and make it last for days! Some of it was silly, when you think about Peter Gabriel dressed a giant sunflower. It was ridiculous." |
He's kind of right. Tull are the perfect blend of rock,folk, classical and jazz. When they did a long song they made sure the whole song was full of strong changing melodies. They didn't put in 5 minutes of sound effects to fill in space. ELP were finished after Trilogy imo. When I see pictures of Gabriel with his head shaved down the middle I think showpony/rebel which doesn't go down as cool at all. His voice on the Lamb is pretty annoying and his outfits were pretty embarrasing lol. Tulls remasters from 1970-74 and 1977-80 are awesome |
If Ian Anderson is kind of right, as you say, then maybe music fans who aren't into prog don't necessarily have "simple/dumb taste in music" and probably wouldn't "wake up to how good prog is after enough listening." Especially not if prog's about "spaghetti noodlers" and ridiculous theatrics. Reading Anderson's quote, one gets the feeling that the fans who turned away from prog and aren't interested may be more clued-in than you're giving them credit for. On the other hand, maybe you're right about people getting into prog if they'd only give it enough listening... but then Anderson's statement would have to be taken with a grain of salt (and probably disagreed with).
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Posted: April 18 2011 at 09:34 |
I'm going for Tull. Listening to a whole Genesis album is grating to me.
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let prog reign
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Posted: April 18 2011 at 12:53 |
Genesis, only by a lot
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Once upon a time there was some writing on the wall we all ignored, until the time that there was war and feasts of famine at our door
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Posted: April 18 2011 at 17:35 |
My 2 fave bands.
Tull will always get my vote though.
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