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cstack3 
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VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7412 |
 Posted: March 29 2011 at 21:37 |
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Invented in 1761 by Benjamin Franklin. I'd love to hear Wakeman or Moraz play this thing!!
Prog is older than dirt. |
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rematpac
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Posted: March 29 2011 at 22:29 |
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seventhsojourn
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 04:04 |
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 It's not hard, is it?
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: March 30 2011 at 04:20 |
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1. This is an Internet Forum - look it up - it's not rocket science - it is a public forum where we discuss pointless crap as a group - it is not a one-to-one messaging system.
1a. You are not sending messages to specific people - you are broadcasting to everyone.
2. If you want to reply or respond to a specifc post then quote that post and type your ranting in the same message window, just below the text you've just quoted just like I have done here.
3. You are not computer illiterate - if you have a YouTube channel and have posted video's there then it is blatantly obvious you possess a rudimentary understanding of mashing your fingers into a keyboard to elicit some form of positive denouement. What you are lacking is a basic understanding of what a forum is, how to use one and what the simple etiquette is to avoid pissing people off. I could spend the time teaching you these things, but frankly I've done that in the past and the rewards are not commensurate with the effort involved.
4. If you cannot manage to work this simple system then I am sorry to say that Internet Forums are probably not for you and perhaps you should stick to what you can understand and leave it at that.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 04:25 |
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I wouldn't hold your breath......
....but..... Edited by Snow Dog - March 30 2011 at 04:27 |
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davidk
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Joined: January 17 2011 Location: USA - English Status: Offline Points: 69 |
Posted: March 30 2011 at 12:15 |
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I am not fishing to find out if somebody posted this already since there is 25 pages, but so far I have not seen anybody mention The Nice Keith Emerson's original band. They had a similar sound they were orchestral, and definitely prog!
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Gerinski
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Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Barcelona Spain Status: Offline Points: 5154 |
Posted: March 30 2011 at 16:31 |
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Gerinski
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 16:32 |
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cstack3
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VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7412 |
Posted: March 30 2011 at 17:35 |
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Thank you! I studied experimental music at the University of Illinois as a recreational thing, so I picked up on a lot of cool sounds & techniques (this was early-mid1970's). You can mike all sorts of junk and interesting sounds & music out of them!! My own favorite is to put a small coin into an un-inflated balloon, then blow up the balloon, tie it off, and oscillate the thing so that the penny spins around inside on its edge, held in place by its own centrifugal force. When you mike this thing, it is amazing! Even un-miked is impressive! Patrick Moraz had all sorts of metal "Slinky" springs hanging from his keyboards when I saw the "Relayer" tour (twice!), and these were miked. They made weird sounds when he bashed them. Anything goes! Jamie Muir used the "musical saw" on LTIA, great stuff!! All of these techniques are damn old, too! I'm sure there was progressive music that was recorded in the 1920's or earlier.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: March 30 2011 at 22:32 |
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Don't forget Tull and the "claghorn", which Ian Anderson described as "a strange bamboo flute with a saxophone mouthpiece attached to it... a dreadful instrument that I invented."
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
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cstack3
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VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7412 |
Posted: March 30 2011 at 23:11 |
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Heh! Good one, thanks!! Quite similar to the cantor of a bagpipe I'd guess! (Anderson, being a Scot, once said that "bagpipes drive me crazy!") When driving around rural Devon, UK, I heard some acoustic Welsh music that reminded me a great deal of Yes! Not the popular Celtic stuff, but some very light, rapidly moving music that was absolutely lovely! Here's a good read about the origins of experimental & electronic music:
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chopper
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Posted: March 31 2011 at 15:19 |
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As far as I can tell from Googling, Wings Over America is the biggest selling triple album. |
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chopper
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Posted: March 31 2011 at 15:27 |
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Hee hee, this guy is really good entertainment value. |
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: March 31 2011 at 15:31 |
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Mista-Gordie
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Joined: March 27 2011 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 282 |
Posted: April 01 2011 at 22:27 |
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I'd have to say Ars Longa Vita Brevis too, but I don't think there is a real first one because at this time there was already some songs or albums that were really close to prog rock (In a gadda da vida, by example). Also, it's almost impossible that no other bands did it before (I mean some unknown bands)
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ProgEpics
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Posted: April 02 2011 at 16:12 |
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No such thing..it evolved just like everything else. Also remember being progressive, doesnt mean you play nonstop show off music...my favorite prog album is dark side of the moon, nothing complicated at all on that album. I would say even brian wilson of the beach boys was progressive in his song writing..and ofcourse the beatles also paved the way to the rocking side of music. If you go back far enough even guys like mozart were doing things that were "progressive" for the time..as long as your experimenting and doing new things, to me your progressive. You gotta write from the soul, and not try to be complicated for the sake of being complicated.
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Come on you target for faraway laughter,
Come on you stranger, you legend, you martyr, and shine! |
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Dean
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Posted: April 02 2011 at 18:34 |
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The other point I don't accept is whether some unknown band "did it" first - being unknown would more or less render them irrelevant in the history of Prog. If they had zero effect at the time then whether they did it first or not at all would produce the same result. Also if that earlier band produced an ablum that we can with the benefit of hindsight recognise as Progressive Rock it doesn't necessarily mean that the album is Progressive Rock, and one thing we can be certain of - it wasn't Progressive Rock at the time.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: April 02 2011 at 19:36 |
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I agree, Dean. You might as well add Led Zeppelin's How the West Was Won to the list, which I believe went platinum in the same year it was released (2003). Besides, unlike All Things Must Pass which went to #1 in the U.S. for 8 weeks, WBMFttStNE never even made it to #1. I believe it was because record buyers became catatonic after listening to it in its entirety, and therefore sales from word-of-mouth suffered.
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resurrection
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Joined: August 08 2010 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 254 |
Posted: April 03 2011 at 02:42 |
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Actually they were more like Love Sculpture - 'Sabre Dance' and all that. Definitely trying to be interesting though, even though the idea (and the origin) came from another band (1-2-3). They developed an aspect, just as ELO developed an aspect of the Beatles. But it all reached true germination in 'Court of the Crimson King' whichever way you look at it.
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prog4evr
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Posted: April 15 2011 at 18:25 |
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Given your strict definition for Prog Rock (which I agree with), akajazzman, I agree with the first respondent, Snow Dog, that this Nice album fits the bill...
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cstack3 wrote:
That's what people keep telling me-to click the quote button and of course that's what I always do and it never works-did it work this time?I don't know?I understood the question to be ,What was the 1st prog ROCK album,not sinply the 1st progressive music started by someone.But don't get me wrong,If you are deviating from the original question and taking on a much bigger, more complex question then that only makes me respect you more.I was already quite impressed with your clip from The Monkees where Louie Shelten dubbed in some very progressive guitar lead for the time.I remember watching The Monkees as a kid when they 1st came on,but back then ,even at that early age the only kind of music I listened to regularly was classical music.During the 60's ,I would laugh at anyone who even liked The Beatles! By age 14 that all began to change of course.I know this hasn't been an interesting reply to your very interesting comment,but I'm still not sure if this message is even going to get to you?Consider this just a test message.I did notice that the date given on that Monkees clip was 1968,which had to have made it one of the last episodes since it began airing in 1966 and lasted only 2 seasons.Not more than an hour ago I came across some more videos of the prog rock band Renaissance that were also from 1968 and put them up on my favorites on my Rematpac youtube site.Some of them are very rare and recently posted by McCarty from the original line up and some have been seen by less than a 1000 people yet,but they show just how far some people had integrated classical music into rock by 1968.